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Dog attack now my shiba is aggressive towards all dogs :/
  • ashley15ashley15
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    Over this past weekend my dog Emi was outside playing while I was inside cooking. I heard something out outside and I see a pit bull on top of my Emi. I ran out trying to help Emi and get this dog of of her when I finally punched the dog in the right place cause she let go and fell back. Then out of no where another dog comes running and rips her out of my arms by the neck and starts shaking and biting her. Finally the owners come running up tackling their dogs and helped me get Emi free. Apparently the dogs broke through the screen window to attack my dog!!!!! Took Emi to the vet and she was not hurt to bad no stitches, just a couple marks.
    The problem is now she can't let along with other dogs. We went to play with an old friend today and when they started to play like usual Emi freaked out on him. I guess idk what to do now since she gets along with most dogs :(
  • NikkitineNikkitine
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    Post edited by Nikkitine at 2015-05-28 16:40:31
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  • AntoinetteAntoinette
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    I am so sorry this happened. However, I do agree that your little fur baby should not have been left unattended in an unfenced yard.

    I do know that a dog can remain emotionally scarred for a long time after an attack. My little boy Quakey continues to be dog reactive since the first time he was attacked back in December 2012. However, he now does have some furry friends which he did not have even one year ago so there has been some improvement. Please know your little girl may tend to react negatively towards other dogs out of fear and not aggression. Give her lots of love and positive reinforcement.

  • Look into BAT style training. You will need to desensitize her to dogs again. Slowly re-introduce and teach her that dogs are not something to be feared off the bat. My shiba has the same issue specifically with little dogs because of her being attack at a dog park. Her issue is far worse though because now her predatory drift is kicking in and I am hesitant to still consider it a fear response versus a mix with prey drive.

    But you do need to go back to training and slowly re-introduce your dog. She might not ever be 100% the same and that is OK. You want to slowly get her used to the idea and let HER be in control with what she feels she can handle. That might mean no more dog parks, always on leash and avoiding certain situations. You don't want to force her into something she can't handle because it will make her fear aggression far worse.
  • SayaSaya
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  • shibamistressshibamistress
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  • Don't reprimand, just redirect (the watch me, for example) - you're on the right track. If you reprimand you run the risk of her hiding the warnings, teaching her that the warnings shes giving you are not allowed doesn't teach her to not exhibit the behavior of biting or attacking. She is just doing dog things, giving good dog warnings that things are not to her liking, and it's up to you to do the expected human things of removing / de-escalating the situations.

    Look in to B.A.T. 2.0 - this is probably one of the best resources out there for people with reactive dogs. The book isn't too pricey, I picked it up for my niece a few months ago and it's done her wonders with her pitbull rescue that has the same issue as your dog - very dog reactive after being attacked at a young age but otherwise a sweet and loving dog. :) Good luck, and know you're on the right track!
  • @spacedogs When my parents first got Coda (their labradoodle), my whole family got on board with the Milan methods of focusing on dominance and submission because it was the trendy thing that was proven on TV. That was about 7 years ago. Coda turned out to be a real sweetheart but looking back at it I'd never put another dog through the same thing. I cringe thinking about having done all those alpha-rolls and having focused on treating Coda as some lower class member of the household who needs punishment when letting us know there's a stranger out the front window. Like you said, they're dogs doing dog things and it's not fair to reprimand them for using their innate tools to let us know what they're thinking. I'm never going to train in that way again.

    I'll look into the B.A.T. 2.0 resources. I actually had the book in in my Amazon cart when I bought the Feisty Fido book, but I took it out at the last minute because I also wanted to order her a few toys and treats.

  • I wanted to give an update on how my training's been going:

    I've been focusing on pure positive reinforcement training with redirection, starting with the stuff that I learned from the first book I ordered. My second book, BAT2.0, came on Sunday, but I didn't have a chance to open it because I had a sick day yesterday :-&. She's actually come a MASSIVE way since the last time I updated. We went from her being reactive and barking at all dogs we passed when on walk, to now she only starts barking on two conditions - 1) Dog starts barking aggressively at her (only with on leash dogs - she doesn't really bark if they're behind a fence or a window), 2) Dog is white and fluffy - both big or small.

    When we come across a dog, she gets excited like she wants to go meet them, but I've focused on stopping with her, getting to her level and bringing her attention to me. I try to have her turn away from the dog and have her face right to me as I feed her treats for 'watch'ing me. She's been starting to look back at me first when she sees a dog, but it doesn't always happen. I always mega-reward that behaviour accordingly. Sometimes she's far more excited and pulls a bit towards dogs, but I've been trying to get her to do our routine with as much slack on the leash as possible - I want her to not feel like I'm trapping her into listening and instead that she's listening and getting rewarded for doing that on her own. She's been getting so much better in the past week.

    I still need to work with her on greetings, because she gets super anxious when she's near another dog. She seems to think all dogs are ready to turn on her at a snap second's notice, so she gets defensive really quick, even if there's zero sign of aggression. I'm working on being patient with her and taking things at her speed. Again, I'm so proud of my girl and how far she's come even in the past week. I'm keeping things consistent and I'll constantly work with her. Hopefully some day she'll be much less anxiety-prone, but even how far she's come gives me hope!
  • Arge12Arge12
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  • Glad to hear it’s going well!
  • I can relate to this as my shiba, Fitty, struggles with aggression towards other dogs. As a puppy, he was great with other dogs at the park and at home. Never had a problem. Then we went on vacation when he was only about 4 or 5 months old and we decided to take him to a pet hotel that we paid a lot of money for that claimed he would be in his own private room the whole time. It turns out he would be put in a kennel with others all day but it was too late until we figured this out. Knowing he is sensitive, we would have preferred he be alone as promised. Although the staff did not mention anything, we believe he got into a fight while there. He's very "alpha". The day we got home and picked him up, we noticed a difference. He got into a fight with one of my parents dogs who he had never had a single bad experience with before (who is also another "alpha male" personality). Luckily we were right there to break it up and nobody was hurt but now he cannot even be alone with dogs he has known his whole life. He has since improved with them and will only have a small altercation once every few months which we always are there to break up but we have to take special precautions like feeding them separately. Any strange dog he has ever met he will be aggressive towards. Especially males. He has once gotten along fairly okay with dogs outside in a neutral territory but he still snarls.
    Once we were at a picnic at my boyfriends parents and we had Fitty on a leash as always and his sister showed up with her pit bull without a leash so he ran down to us and immediately a fight broke out. The pit bull is a sweetie but will fight back when a dog starts against him and that's what happened. It was very bad but my boyfriend reached in to pull them apart and got bit by Fitty (who was definitely trying to bite the pit, he would never bite a human) and luckily not the pit bull because a bite mark would have been much worse. Luckily we got them separated with only a few marks on each but it was horrifying for everyone. We have struggled with this for a year now and it's stressful. You never know when and where someone will have their dog out without a leash! Even if their dog is nice, I wish people would have their dogs on a leash in a public park! We always have to take special precautions to make sure he is far enough away from strange dogs at all times. He lives with us in our apartment now with no other pets so for the most part it's okay but walking him a couple times a day we run into many dogs. Sometimes I feel there is no hope for changing his attitude towards other dogs and we fear we won't be able to get another dog, at least until Fitty passes. But like most shibas, he is enough personality for one household. I hope that those of you with similar stories find a solution because I understand your struggle. And my story is a warning to all pup owners to beware of pet hotels! Not all provide what they promise! We have never went on a trip without him since.
  • Arge12Arge12
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