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Question about Ian Dunbar's approach on Potty Training
  • Post edited by sunyata at 2013-12-09 12:04:06
  • amtiamti
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    I've never read Dunbar (bad, huh?) so I can't comment on his methods. If your pup doesn't like the Kong, then try another chew toy. Mine don't care for the Kong unless there is something inside it. Otherwise, it sits at the bottom on the toybox. Cow hooves have been a consistant hit with all three dogs, and they always seem to go back to them when they want something to chew on. They are hardy, last a long time, cheap, don't damage teeth, but stinky. Some people say their dogs like Nylabones, but I've had zero luck with those too.
  • Post edited by shibamistress at 2013-12-08 14:32:26
  • Yes that's exactly what we're doing :) I find a lot of what he says makes a lot of logical sense, though I have to admit I'm not a huge fan of his writing style, but that's my personal preference. I haven't let it detract from what I'm learning :) Just about to start reading After you get your puppy!
  • RyanRyan
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  • nds421nds421
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    Hey guys! I also have another question regarding his training methods.

    Like @Nahatalie said, Dunbar says to use the x-pen for long term confinement. On page 10 of his book (linked below), he says to put a potty area in the pen.

    However, most people recommend against letting the shiba go to the bathroom in the house. His own book says to not let the dog have any accidents.

    So, I'm a little confused. Starting from 8 weeks old, our baby will be alone for 2 hours a day (between when my bf goes to work and I come home from work). Should the dog have a potty area in the pen? If we put him in the pen for longterm confinement during those 2 hours, will we have potty issues?

    His book for reference:

    Thanks guys!
    Post edited by nds421 at 2016-02-18 15:40:01
  • a longer confinement would be on the order of more than 2 hours. If for some reason neither you nor your partner can let your puppy out, give them a bigger space to roam in (expen) and make sure they have a place to potty because at that age they will need somewhere to go.

    For me, I just planned my time accordingly so I could let Ham out every two hours, but I know that not everyone has a schedule as flexible as mine. But there is a good chance that you'll confuse your puppy about where to go if you rely on using potty pads.
  • Ditto what everyone else said.

    For the first couple of months she was crated in one of those Midwestern crates with a moveable middle section so that we could slowly expand it as she grew. After about 2 months, we then bought an ex-pen that attaches to the crate, so she can hang out and play with her toys, or go to sleep in her crate (which we cover with blankets to keep the sunlight out).

    In the crate, we put the potty pads underneath a towel, so that it would be easy to clean up, and also so she doesn't shred them.
  • nds421nds421
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    @justifiedgaines, if we put him in the expen while we're gone, what should we put as a place for him to go to the bathroom?

    Also, what's the difference between "making sure they have a place to potty" and using potty pads?

    Thanks for your help!!!
  • dougfoodougfoo
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  • sunyatasunyata
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  • dougfoodougfoo
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    @sunyata -- as a high-rise apt city dweller no choice until she is vaccinated. It'd take me 5min to get downstairs... so I must indoor train first and regardless must teach her about either holding her pee or peeing on a pad.

  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Do you have a balcony that you could put a patch of grass on (like fresh patch or doggie lawn)?? I think the pads are just adding an extra step in potty training and don't help anything. From my point of view, if you're planning on training your dog to potty outside, the sooner the better. You're able to take advantage of baby bladder's need to pee often, and really reinforce that outside is the place to go. Even if it took me 5 minutes to get to a patch of grass outside, I'd choose that over complicating things by trying to indoor train. If you think it's hard to potty train now, just wait until you have to transition it to outside and aren't able to take advantage of the almost constant need to pee that a young puppy has lol. When she gets older, I totally recommend having a bell by the door that she can learn to ring to tell you that she needs to go out. :)
  • sunyatasunyata
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  • JuniJuni
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    The idea of having a schedule is so you take the puppy out before he/she desperately needs to go. So if you do it immediately after a nap, a meal or playtime the five minutes it takes shouldn't be a concern most of the time. If a freak accident happens in the elevator, just clean it up.
  • NikkitineNikkitine
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    @dougfoo - I live in a condo as well and I attempted to train Ponyo on some real grass turf we got from HomeDepot, but she refused, so we ended up having to take her outside and scoop her up the instant she was done.
  • pyleapylea
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    @dougfoo: I'm also an apartment-dweller in the city and have taken Pylea out for potty since day one. Sure there was a slight risk, but socialization and desensitization were more important. I only allowed her on the sidewalk of our immediate block and did not allow her to step in mud or grass. She mostly did her business in a neighbor's flowerbed (they said it was OK). I also washed her paws every time we got back inside. The times she started to pee indoors, I would interrupt her and pick her up to go outside to finish. She never peed on me or before we got outside.

    Also, does your pup respond to praise or pets? Pylea is treat-motivated most of the time, but not at the dog park or when there's other exciting stuff around. Like if she came when called, she would take her otherwise-favorite treat and spit it out. But I realized she enjoys a nice chest rub as a reward in those situations. Also I only ever feed her meals for doing something I ask. Do you feed your pup in a bowl? Try feeding a few kibble at a time for following commands.
  • dougfoodougfoo
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    Hi folks, I decided to take the risk and outdoor train her. It was too painful trying to wait indoors.. she would cry every 1-2hr and for a 10wk puppy hold it for 4-5hrs! Made it really hard to leave home for a few hours ! Phew.

    As I posted in another thread, I agree to the risks.. but I realize the research is #'s -- nobody cares about that when its your puppy that got infected but I'm being very careful!

    So far potty training outside (for poo) is way easier! Now I need to get the pee moved from pad to outside too!

    Thanks all.

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