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  • LuckeeSevenLuckeeSeven
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    Post edited by sunyata at 2012-08-09 09:49:52
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    I would consult a vet dermatologist asap and ask them to test for immune function. It is so, so incorrect to say that a dog under a year never gets allergies. My vet dermatologist told me he was treating 12 and 14 week old puppies with full blown atopy and immune related skin diseases. Are you rinsing the salt off his feet after the soaks? I agree with you that this course is treating symptoms and not the cause, and you are wise to want to investigate other courses of treatment. In my Shibas case, treatment for her (she was also suffering pyoderma at 3 and 4 months requiring cephalexi, and had mites) was a course of immune therapy, antihistamines, and allergy shots for her atopy. I also had to switch to grain free and raw. This all occured when she was under a year. Ask for a referral to a dermatologist if you want real answers and solutions.
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  • YukikoYukiko
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    Post edited by Yukiko at 2011-07-09 21:37:24
  • LuckeeSevenLuckeeSeven
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    Post edited by LuckeeSeven at 2011-07-09 21:41:38
  • curlytailscurlytails
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  • It could also be an enviromental allergey
  • Tanuki got something similar at the beginning of spring. I forgot exactly what our vet did, but it's cleared up and haasn't returned. We're pretty sure it's enviromental based on what we feed the pups and speaking to our breeder about it.
  • MayamaMayama
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    I feel your pain. Maya is going through something similar too.

    Maya started to scratch her face and chew on her feet non-stop about a month ago. We took her to the vet and did some scrapping, no mites, but the vet still thinks it's caused by mites hidden deep in her skin, so gave her a shot. It got better the next week, so she got another shot, but then it all got worse, to a point she had to keep an e-coller on 24/7. The vet then referred us to go see an dermatologist. (That visit itself cost us $300.) After more scrapping, still no mites, but the dermatologist thinks we should still continue with the mites treatment, so we got 3 different meds for it. She also wanted us to start a diet trial, in case it's caused by food. She suggested Royal Canin venison & potato, because it has limited ingredients and Maya never had venison before (it takes about 8 weeks to develop allergies). We later found online that "Natural Balance Limited Ingredient Sweet Potato & Venison" is kind of similar but with better ratings, so we went with that instead.

    It's been 3 days since Maya was on her new med and food. She seems to be getting better and scratches a lot less, but we are still not sure what helped and if she's really cured (cause one of the med is to stop the itching). Hopefully, when she's off her mites meds, everything will be back to normal. We can then switch back to her old food and see if any symptoms reappear, then we can tell for sure if it's food allergies or not.

    I hope Renji gets better soon. I know how heart-breaking it is to see him suffer and how frustrating (and expensive) it is to not being able find the cause.
    Post edited by Mayama at 2011-07-10 14:43:42
  • LuckeeSevenLuckeeSeven
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  • MayamaMayama
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    During our visit, we kind of talked about the history of the conditions and treatments, did some scraping, got the meds for mites, talked about how to move forward with diet trials, and what to expect if the meds and new food won't help. According to our vet, the dermatologist can help set out a "game plan" and present you the options when the current treatment fails. They've also seen more dogs with similar conditions and will be more experienced in looking at the symptoms. By the way, make sure to ask your vet to fax over Renji's treatment information when referring you to the dermatologist.
  • LuckeeSevenLuckeeSeven
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    Post edited by LuckeeSeven at 2011-07-11 17:40:26
  • Hi Megan

    I'm sorry to hear Renji and you are going through this. I remember how stressful it was for me until I found a proper solution.

    These days I'm seeing more and more threads about Shiba Inu allergies. I would not go to the Vet anymore regarding allergies as I think it is much better to just go straight to a specialist (Dog Derm.). Just like you I wasted so much money going back to the vet and getting prescribed cephelexin. Cephelexin is basically to stop the infection of the wound and it does help but it doesn't stop the problem. Plus its probably not good for dogs to always be on antibiotics.

    Anyway it seems like the Vet has eliminated mange or mites. I just started using the product Revolution (flea + mange) product during that time to eliminate the chance that it was mange or mites.

    It could be an environmental allergy...Renji is still young so his immune system might not be quite as strong and could be sensitive to certain things outside. He could be allergy to grass pollens and I think wiping his feet anytime he comes back in from being outside helps. You don't have to use baby wipes, you can just use a wet hand towel. And also if you feed Renji high quality food or RAW it helps build his immune system up and helps avoid further issues later on..thats just my opinion anyway

    I've spend so much money trying every allergy product at regular pet stores but I can pretty much tell you 95% of them do not work haha. Anyway here is a cliff notes version of things I believe help with allergies.

    Chlorpheniramine Maleate - 4 mgAntihistamine (I give this to Severus any time we go to the fields. You can find that at walgreens but I would always ask my vet or derm first. http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-wal-finate-allergy-relief-tablets/ID=prod382719-product)

    Quercetin and Stinging Nettle pills are pretty good. It works as a natural antiinflamatory (http://www.amazon.com/QBC-Plex-Quercetin-Bromelain-Capsule/dp/B00020I0CI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310743467&sr=8-1)

    Fish Oils work for a lot of people too (I can't use it cause Severus is allergic to Fish)

    Raw Food

    Atopica-this is like the miracle drug for dogs that have extreme environmental allergies. It is so expensive and I'm not sure what the long term effect is which makes me hope that SEverus doesn't have to take this forever. He used to take one pill every day but now its once every 3 days. I give him Quecetin or Stinging Nettle Pills the days he doesn't take Atopica

    Allergy Test + Allergy shots-the test at least lets you know what he is allergic to so you can avoid it in the future. The shots really do help as he only has to take Atopica once every 3 days but it could also be because he is older now and a combination of other things.

    Things I like to use when Severus chews on his paws:

    Genesis Topical Spray-This usually helps Severus when he has a open wound. I just spray it once onto his paws and it gives him relief. The only thing bad is that it IS a steroid and using too much is probably not good (http://www.1800petmeds.com/Genesis+Topical+Spray-prod10681.html)

    Bag Balm-I use this if his paws are cracking or are really dry. (http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/bag-balm-protective-ointment/ID=prod10744-product)

    Hope some of this helps. I'm just rambling now haha. Let me know if you need anything else. and Good luck!
    Post edited by frank the tank at 2011-07-15 11:34:54
  • StaticNfuzzStaticNfuzz
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    Like Severus we have been through the exact same thing and the outcome is just about the same as well. Our dog began with symptoms at 4 months of age.

    The dermatologist really helped and we give shots twice a week and the Atopica is down to every four days. At the height of season our dog looks beautiful. He does still scratch some but no horrible wounds or bleeding.

    95% of over the counter sprays treatments do not work. The socks do not work and after awhile over time our dog would become irritable with that or the cone. Socks do not do a thing if your dog has Inhalation allergies.

    Seek and veterinary dermatologist and don't waste the rest of $ with a reg vet to treat. After some point the dog will build antibiotic resistance which will be detrimental in the long run.

    I am really happy with the results of the allergy shots. It takes about 6 months but there is much improvement when it works.

    Our oldest Shiba has allergies too and it was really hard on her as we went through all the other stuff rather getting to the heart of the problem to begin with. It whole ordeal has made her a bit more shy and reclusive when she had flairs. Things have settled out with her and as a senior dog she seems to be holding her own.

    Again my suggestion is find a vet derm Heres a link http://www.aavd.org/FindADerm.aspx to get to the heart to the issue to avoid personality changes during attempting to home treat the problem.

    It really is worth it to get the help of a professional in the specific specialty.

    Good luck!
    Snf
    Post edited by StaticNfuzz at 2011-07-15 12:15:46
  • Good luck, I feel your pain! Signey has had allergy problems since she was 6 months old, nearly year round. We're pretty sure she's allergic to chicken because of some "experimenting" with it, as well as fleas. I believe that there is something in the environment in our area that is causing the animals to itch, because it seems like 75% of the dogs that we see, and that my friend that works at a vet's office sees, have some level of skin allergy.

    Try not to change too many things at once. If you add a supplement to the diet, make a food change, etc, don't change anything else in the diet or environment for at least a month.
  • zandramezandrame
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  • redcattooredcattoo
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    Good luck. Hopefully the itchiness goes away. Glad to hear you are working with your vet. My only thought was maybe the coat blow is related to itchiness since you did indicate that also seems to be starting? I have no idea, but that popped in my head as I read the end of your post.
  • zandramezandrame
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  • curlytailscurlytails
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  • zandramezandrame
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    @curlytails, sure yeah, I will more than likely keep updating if I have anything to document. Haha, we'd never heard about Vetericyn before, so don't know about the gimmicks, but the Amazon reviews were good, and even the girl at the pet store uses it for her dog with grass allergies. We opted for the 16oz bottle because it was only a few bucks more than the 8oz :p I do like that it can be used around the face and eyes, and don't have to worry about him licking some.
  • zandramezandrame
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  • lindsaytlindsayt
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  • StaticNfuzzStaticNfuzz
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    I wanted to update. We have been dealing with allergies (inhalation induced Atopy) for many years (with more than one Shiba actually) and the allergy shots DO help in our case. I was skeptical to begin with, but as treatment (Shots) were layered and paired with other medication it helped in the adjustment and eventually one by one we were able to back off of most oral or spray meds.

    We found that treatment is best started when testing in an off flair season and integrating the shots gradually up to when the full season starts, that backed with an occasional allergy tablet and or alternative therapy until the body adjusted to the shots. Shots are a year round thing but seem to effective over the long haul for us.

    At times in the beginning I thought the shots would never work but two years later we are doing well *knock on wood*. We also have traveled into other blooming zones that were behind ours with little problem. We also time our training and performance event schedule around the seasons (indoor or outdoor). It isn't one thing I feel, but a combination by putting together a whole system that works in conjunction to reduce or keep flairs at bay.

    Good Luck to all finding the "sweet spot" in allergy treatment.
    Snf
    Post edited by StaticNfuzz at 2013-06-25 10:28:25
  • RikaRika
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    Rika has something like that too, and it is diagnosed as Demodex. She chews on her paws to the state that they bleed, and she was red and itchy all over a few months ago. Maybe you canask the vet about that. Hope Renji gets better soon :D
  • zandramezandrame
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  • MagMag
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    Miki-has demodex too and she is on ivomec 0.25 drop a day. it took 5 mos for it to go away. then we stop because she was clear and three weeks latter it was worse we didnt get the skin scrap. should have 2 done after the 5 months before you stop the ivomec

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