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Recall tips? Really Reliable Recall
  • Our shiba's recall is horendous! We have taken him to obience classes where is was fantastic both on and OFF the leash. However outside in the big interesting world nothing works. We have never walked him off the leash out with an enclosed area. We would never chance it.
    Any suggestions to aid this?

    Post edited by lindsayt at 2012-09-02 19:03:44
  • CaliaCalia
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  • Thanks Calia and Inu Ryuu. His recall at home in the house and ok outside its zero even on the leash. We will persist. MY older shiba, Kobe, is better but he never got better till he was about 7 years old.
  • Kuro_KaiKuro_Kai
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    Harpoon gun? :-p

    How are you doing the recall? Kai's recall with "Come" sucks. But if we can get his attention, his recall with "Touch" is phenomenal. Touch is the "always treat with the very best treat" recall. Hand signal is open palm facing him held at nose height. We don't use it very often, mostly once every other day to reinforce it (or get him out of the bedroom when one of us wants to change clothes). It works in the dog park too but the timing is critical (right now). I have to be sure Kai is facing me and within earshot so he'll see both the hand signal and hear the command.
  • bobc33bobc33
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    Scout has absolutely no recall, even though I did spend a lot of time and her favorite treats trying to teach her.

    Shadow is darn close to 100% recall, with hardly any training at all.

    I would never let either off leash in an open area.
  • emmyemmy
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    My dog has good recall even without treats. Part of it is just him, I'm sure. But I have focused on always making coming to me positive. If you come you get a treat or a belly rub or at least your head petted. I never say "come here" and then pick him up or do something else he perceives as negative FIRST. Sometimes after the treat, etc. *evil laugh*

    Other thought-- make sure your voice is always positive. My shiba ran off once when someone opened the fence while he was in the yard. I chased him a half mile. Barefoot. In a pencil skirt. ANYWAY...I realized as I was chasing him that I naturally sounded anxious and mad when I called for him. So I tried to sound enthusiastic and even told him how good he was. He eventually turned and just ran to me. Thrilled that we had our little adventure, and tired and ready to go home.

    My advice is to just keep it positive, all the time. The experiences build on themselves, and hopefully you make the most out of whatever recall potential your shiba may have.
  • TengaiTengai
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    Get a Lab!

    Kidding of course
    As someone else mentioned, make it positive., Always praise. Use a long lead when walking let him roam, call back treat etc, let him go again. Repeat about a million times! It may work may not.I have one who is 100% recallable. The others no where near.
  • Kuro_KaiKuro_Kai
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  • recall? shibas? prayer works! lol.

    seriously though just stay consistent and positive but don't get fustrated when they buzz the tower. you call, they come, they continue to run past you.
  • Kuro_KaiKuro_Kai
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    Harpoon guns are easier and more fun :-p

    Tho Kai's dodging skills are impressive at the dog park. He jukes like an NFL running back, sending chasing dogs to the dirt nose first
  • bobc33bobc33
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    Well let me take back my above post about Shadow having almost 100% recall as it was just put to the test (accidently) and he failed.

    I took Scout and Shadow to the tennis courts to let them run free in a big space, and invited my fiend with his two boys and American Eskimo puppy to met us there. When they arrived the gate swung open and both Scout and Shadow got out and took off! So now there are three dogs, two adults and two kids running through the large playground. Luckily Scout stopped to sniff something after a few hundred yards and we grabbed her but Shadow kept going. Both" come" and "stay" had no effect as he did neither.

    We were all the way through the field and soon approaching a road and he showed no sign of stopping. Luck was with us again as he stopped just before the road to jump in some bushes to sniff something. My friend was able to grab him and hold him as I caught up with the leash.

    So let me amend, Shadow has great recall in the house and in a fenced in yard, but when truly in an open space forget about it. It ended well but is a reminder to me to always be alert and vigilant.
  • Thanks all for your comments - persistence seems to be the way forward.
  • Kuro_KaiKuro_Kai
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    My girlfriend and I finally got some time to train some recall at the dog park today. We went early and had the entire place to ourselves. We got to the point where we could bounce Kai back and forth across the entire dog park from different places (once my girlfriend started using her 'Outside' voice). Kai also seemed to respond better when we crouched down after calling his name. The arms wide sign didn't work too well.

    We practiced for a good 30 mins before another dog showed up. At which point most of the practice went down the flusher :-p He'd come when called... But we'd have to set off the doggie equivalent of a fission bomb to get his attention first. Sacrificed my dignity much today (which the other owner thought was cute) :D

    We also need to work on our reward management. With another dog there as a distraction, we weren't prepared to escalate the reward for coming with a distraction. I'm positive Kai felt the dog was "New!" and the treats we had already given him were "Old" so why pay attention for the same old thing.
  • DjinnDjinn
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    "We also need to work on our reward management. With another dog there as a distraction, we weren't prepared to escalate the reward for coming with a distraction. I'm positive Kai felt the dog was "New!" and the treats we had already given him were "Old" so why pay attention for the same old thing. "
    I'm wondering about the exact same thing! Hayate will do half a dozen commands flawlessly if a) he knows I have a treat and b) that the treat is better than anything else on offer. But as soon as he knows that he's eaten the last treat or he sees something more exciting he ignores me completely. I don't want to get into an "arms race" of better treats. It's so much more frustrating than it would be if I didn't know that he knows EXACTLY what I want him to do and just CHOOSES not to >.>
  • We worked with our trainer at a local park (not a dog park) this week. We were the only ones there on a weekday morning (initially anyway). Our trainer brought this 30-foot leash and clipped it to Tempe's regular leash. That way we had this big long leash that she trailed around behind her even though she was technically free. Tempe has had a great recall at home and in the yard with city noises around, so this was a chance to try it with lots of distractions. We did all kinds of training in that hour; it really wore her out! Especially to drag the leash around behind her =) She got some good sleep that night.

    Two big things we worked on were the recall and making her aware of us, i.e., she gets concerned when we're walking away and leaving her alone. That exercise was pretty cool. If she started to wander off away from us, we'd start walking slowly away in the opposite direction keeping our bodies turned away from her, but turning our heads back every so often to see if she had noticed we had "left" her. Because of the long leash, we always knew she was still within reach for us to step on that if she took off, but that never happened. The second she noticed we weren't there, we'd all turn around saying good girl and squat down. She'd run over and whichever of us she chose to come to would give her a treat.

    I have a feeling the squatting part got a big response out of Tempe as our trainer has us squat when we have her come, so she's already attuned to that body position. When we practice recall we have a treat in one hand. We whistle and squat with the treat hand next to our legs/close to our body. When she starts running toward whoever whistled at her, we say, "Tempe, come!" and when she gets to our treated hand, she gets to nibble and we tell her how good she is. While she's there, we practice scratching her under her chin near her collar so that she gets used to it.

    So the brilliance (I think anyway) behind all of this, is that this style of recall is designed to get you your dog back should she run away: the whistle gets the dog's attention and carries well over noisy streets, etc.; your squatted down with your hand in close to your body so that the dog gets really close; and you practice getting at her collar from under her chin.

    We did a lot of practice with treats first (over the last few weeks) and then I've intermittently practiced without. Tempe has had great response every time. We only call our pup Tempe when we use the recall command and when we practice lead training. We never use the recall/her knickname to have her come to us to go inside, get in her kennel/pen, or anything else that wouldn't be perceived as fun. This way she links her knickname and those commands with good, fun things. Maybe the hardest part of using this method of recall (or any) is remembering not to panic if your pup gets away and having the wherewithal to use your training.
  • Kuro_KaiKuro_Kai
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    Other dogs are a *huge* distraction for Kai. Just staring at the other dog is a huge reward for him because often the other owner will get close enough to play.

    What I've been working on is using the other dog as a reward for paying attention to me. Difficult to do when it's the random dog encounter on the street. But it's a lot easier when we go to the dog park. We'll stop before entering the dog park and just wait. if he doesn't sit on his own (at least) within a minute, I'll say "Uh oh, try again" and walk him in a quick circle to break his concentration. When he sits, I'll say "Good boy!" so he knows at least that's good. But now I'm waiting for attention. If he doesn't look at me, it's the "uh oh"->circle->sit->"Good boy!"->wait routine. Eventually he looks at me. That's when I click, praise heavily / treat and then release him with "Ok".

    It's slowly sinking in that he has to pay attention before he gets to go into the dog park. If you can find a cooperative random dog owner, you can ask them to hold their dog out of reach while doing the same thing. Most won't do it for the time needed for Kai to look at me. During obedience class there are a lot more cooperative people because they're going thru the same thing and can see the benefits
  • I would like to bring back an old thread instead of starting a new one. I've been working on this from day one. In the house, Neko is on call perfect. Outside, not so much. I wanted to share my experience and encourage others to continue posting tips and tricks that help others with this practice.

    The main issue is the Shiba attitude. Neko will respond to a command every time until he decides that I don't exist. It's like he turns off his ears. I try not to yell, because I don't want to have to. I know repetition is key, but the most difficult thing for me to deal with is the dog that listens all the times he's safe, but not when he's in danger of being lost. Stay calm. Thanks for the feedback!

    here's a video for you...we are standing in a model airplane runway on top of a hill about 1/2 mile from a road. I wasn't too worried about him jetting on me, but if he caught wind of a rabbit, I feel he'd be gone.
  • Instead of starting a new thread, this was the closest I could find to what I need help with and to see if anyone else has the same problem. Ginger is 2 years old today (Happy Birthday Ginger!) and she loves to play in our backyard. We have a fenced in backyard so she knows to sit by the back door when she wants to go and always in the past she would bark once to be let back in. Well within the past week she has forgotten our system! She goes out back, comes to the door when she is ready to come in and barks, but when I open the door she won't budge! I hold the door open for her and she looks inside and kind of whines but won't come in at all. I have tried to throw some treats down to entice her to come in so I don't have to stand there all day with the door open and she is really nervous about taking them, like she thinks I am going to slam the door on her or something! She has no recall at all so calling her name or asking her to come in is like talking to a wall. If I shut the door when she won't come in, she barks right away to signal that she wants to come in and then we do the same thing all over again. The only thing that has worked for her coming in is for me to leave the back door open, run to the front door and ring the doorbell so she will come in barking at the front door, and then I run back to the back door to shut it before she's onto me! Ahh! Has anyone gone through something similar or have any tips on how to get her back in? I hate to tether her when we have a fenced in backyard but I might have to "reel" her in sometime if the doorbell stops working!
  • sunyatasunyata
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  • Post edited by sandrat888 at 2011-10-24 15:51:57
  • LosechLosech
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    Never had it happen with a dog, but we had a cat who would do this.
    She refused to use the dog door and would meow her head off at the front until someone came down to open it for her. Open the door, and she'd just look at you then walk back inside/outside. Second time around she would look at you like "That's right." And walk through the door. I got sick of this and began to boot her in/out and if she tried to get away, she didn't come in or go out and was ignored until a human had to use the door.
  • catloreecatloree
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  • Glad to know I am not the only one who has this problem! Ginger definitely will not let me get close enough to grab her and leash her. She knows what I am up to and then it becomes a big game to her that usually ends up with me chasing her around the yard and her with a big smile on her face. Same thing with treats! She knows I am giving them to her to come in and then she refuses. She definitely keeps me on my toes! What I have been trying is sending her out with her leash attached so when she comes to the door I can grab her leash and usher her in. She did this when she was a puppy too but grew out of it. Guess she's gone back to her old mischievious ways!!

    @sandrat888 I will definitely try the reliable recall. It would be nice to have a dog that actually comes when it's told!
  • Post edited by sandrat888 at 2011-10-25 13:29:34
  • GatsuGatsu
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    I think I'm gonna attempt to use a whistle with Guts. He totally ignores me when we're out, but I think a whistle will get his attention. I'll give him bacon or something every time he comes.
  • GatsuGatsu
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    He recalls good in the house, and backyard. Once in awhile he'll decide he's gonna ignore us though. He's got out the front door before. We called him back, and he peed and walk back in.

    But if we're at the dog park, or even just a normal park. He never comes. I'll just start giving him a bigger treat for when he comes. For me it's not so much that I really want him to come to me when we're at the dog park. But I just kind of want a safety to fall back on, if he ever gets off the leash or out the front door again.
  • Post edited by sandrat888 at 2011-10-25 14:22:40
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  • sunyatasunyata
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  • HAHA @Sunyata...who has who trained?!?!
  • TheWalrusTheWalrus
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  • curlytailscurlytails
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    Post edited by curlytails at 2011-10-27 02:21:34
  • LosechLosech
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    I did basically the same thing that TheWalrus described, only I didn't get Conker when he was slower than me and used a long-line first. He is now incredibly reliable off-leash but like Shigeru said, I also don't get lax with Conker. And I only let him off-leash in rural or natural places (hiking trails and such) or in a fenced area like a dog park.

    I am constantly working on his recall, always carry treats and use every opportunity I can to train him to respond to me. Every time we see a new animal I will tell him the name, for example: "Turkey" then will tell him to "Leave It" which I also continue to re-enforce every day. I will repeat that with the new critter when we see or hear one and now all I have to do is say "Horse" or "Squirrel" if he doesn't notice them first and he knows not to chase when he spots it.
    The first time he saw a deer it bounded across the trail right in front of us. He did not chase, though he wanted to so badly he was shaking.

    I also turn recall into a game. Sometimes I will randomly run in the other direction, so he chases, and he "wins" by catching me and getting lots of praise and scratches. Or I call him then hide so he has to come find me. Stuff like that.
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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  • Hir0Hir0
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    great thread! I think the hardest part for me was knowing when hiro would definitely come back. It is definitely something that took a little bit of practice. The dog park initially was one of the times i really wanted him to come but i had to hold off on using that "special" word because i knew it would just simply not work. I also think that there needs to be a very gradual pace, i work on hiros recall about 3 times a day and even at that pace i add another distraction once every couple weeks. I just feel that if i went any faster it would ruin everything.
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger
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  • esiepielaesiepiela
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    Zach's recall isn't great...he also has selective recall. In the house he will only "come" if I call and he can't see me. If I am already in view (and don't have a treat) he just looks at me like "What I'm right here...I can see you". He did bolt out of the apartment twice since we had him and the first time I was a mess (well both time actually)...the first time I think I sounded too demanding and it took a while before he decided he would come to me. The second time I did the high pitched...come here...good boy...and I guess he thought I wanted to play so he came inside.
    We are still and probably will be forever working on it. Maybe one day he will get it!
  • XabiXabi
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  • konpeitokonpeito
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    Post edited by konpeito at 2012-06-14 00:21:36
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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  • DebDeb
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    Good girl, Beebe! Nice job Lindsay! That's a real holy moley moment. Glad it all worked right.
    Post edited by Deb at 2012-09-02 19:43:34
  • SayaSaya
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  • BootzBootz
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    XD good Job Beebe! Treats don't work on Bootz...but i'm glad she has good recall!

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