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  • yesterday while taking our daughter to the park to feed the ducks, would have brought kiba but he doesnt do well with ducks, at least when my daughter is trying to feed them.

    we came across a beautiful cream, he was running off leash and had tremendous focus, had a great recall and very well behaved, even ignored the birds that were flying all around him. his owner was very proud of his boy. i would be too if i had a shiba that i have off leash like that. since i know that it is rare that you can have a shiba off leash.
    Post edited by sunyata at 2011-09-21 16:44:00
  • LosechLosech
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    I can trust Conker off-leash at the dog park but I'm not taking a chance anywhere else. His recall is great but I'm not willing to find out what he won't come back for.

    It is neat to see a well trained Shiba, but I'm wary with any dog off-leash. After Juneau (Mom's dog) became dog aggressive I won't trust her off-leash anymore.
  • It's always impressive to see dogs off-leash like that, but no matter how well-behaved the dog, I personally would never let it off leash unless there is some sort of fence to keep it in. Just because...even though the dog is well-behaved, unexpected things happen. Something could run by and distract the dog and it could run off.

    That said, I see dogs off their leash all the time, particularly when we go down to the shore. It's one of those times when I really wish that I could trust Toki like that, because he would love to run around and play like they do. =(
  • JessJess
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    Kuma is definitely not an off-leash boy, unfortunately for us. However, we do let him run loose at the dog park for his enjoyment--he LOVES playing with the other dogs. But we are never angry when we have to run after him to catch him or whatever, because we know what we're getting into when we unclip him lol.

    But as for off leash dogs in public parks or whatnot, I am strongly against it both for the safety of the animal and for the general public. My mom was attacked when she was a child (her throat was torn open by a dog at a pond they were skating at) and she is absolutely terrified of most strange dogs. I think people need to realize that even though their dog is completely harmless, sweet and well behaved that having their dog unleashed in a public area can ruin someone else's time out. For example, if my mom is out walking and she encounters a dog off leash, she becomes very nervous and worried even if the dog isn't doing anything. I think people should recognize that not everyone enjoys dogs (sadly!) Dog parks don't count because obviously someone with a dog phobia won't go there lol

    Sorry for the slightly off topic rant... but on a side note, very impressive to have a Shiba with such excellent recall!!!
  • SayaSaya
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  • mattzmattz
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    I've been training with Etsuko being off leash lately and it has been working wondrously! I walk her twice daily, in a park around the block from my home... Lucky for us, people don't seem to frequent the park during the times I'm walking with her. Giving her the freedom to walk off leash has done AMAZINGLY well for us, her training, her recall and our overall verbal and nonverbal relationship. While she is off leash, I work with her on her recall and overall training in general. Even when we are just walking freely, usually me behind her, she looks back every few seconds to make sure I'm keeping up. If I'm lagging behind, she even waits for me!!! Some days, depending on the treats I have in my pocket, she walks along side me perfectly!!

    Though this has been working for us lately, BEWARE it's not for ALL shibas and even though my shiba is doing well with it, she's no angel. There has only been one OH F*CK moment with her off leash, where she caught scent of something, got herself all low to the ground and start searching the park like a madman trying to find that prey! I ran up to her quickly, caught her attention with the smell of a treat, redirected her, treated her and put her back on leash. So it's no picnic! And it's not perfect!!!
  • My older shiba Kobe can be walked off the leash bot only in familiar surroundings, take him out of his comfort zone and then nose is down and he is off. His recall is good too when its suits him that is. We were not able to walk him off until he was able 6 years old, he is 8 now and still doing ok. My younger one however, no chance! He is 2 and the world is just so exciting and huge adventure plus he thinks every dog and human are on this earth for his enjoyment which has got him into bother a couple of time. I am hoping he will calm down and be off the leash one day. We generally don't have dog parks in Scotland to try him off in a secrued area however I would love too.
  • LosechLosech
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    Hahaha! Since I wrote my last post, Conker has become an almost exclusively off-leash Shiba! (if it's legally allowed) Funny how that works.
    I do leash him up around things he wants to chase, and after an almost-incident with a horse... Yeah, still gotta be on top of them no matter how good their recall is.
  • I don't like people who have off leash dogs where I'm from. I guess it doesn't help that my dog is aggressive with other dogs and when an owner just lets the dog run where ever it wants, it may potentially get attacked. I have a system for my dog on walks when other dogs are around, but i guess I'm mostly just annoyed because the trail I walk him on is strictly for dogs on leashes.
  • LosechLosech
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    @Mikko44 Yeah, I do agree here. If there's a leash law, I'm expecting all other dogs to be on their leashes as well. Two of my dogs are reactive while on-leash and if an off-leash dog comes bounding up where leashes are required by law, I'm not going to be very happy.
    But if being off-leash is legally allowed, I let them off. However, I do leash them up when I see other people or animals since it's polite to do so and I don't want to lose the off-leash privileges in those areas.
    Post edited by Losech at 2012-02-13 17:05:10
  • lucylulucylu
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    Lucy is pretty good off leash. I wouldn't trust her near a busy street, but I have no worries going out to wooded areas and what not. In fact she's so good off leash that she allows Guts off leash since Guts and her stay together. Lucy listens well and Guts follows.
  • Exactly. I'm just concerned for the other dogs' safety, I don't mind people who seem to have a lot of control over their dogs. But still they shouldnt risk it, because they could get a heavy fine for it.
  • SayaSaya
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  • BootzBootz
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    Having a Shiba with good recall would be great, But I definitely would not risk having them off leash anywhere that is not a dog park/gated area. I've heard a lot of first hand stories from owners about off leash dogs, which basically make me think twice before letting my dogs off leash in an area that is not a dog park or gated.

    The link Sunyata posted last time about an off leash dog ruined a service dog, I think was a good article for owners to read. http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/01/04/off-leash-dogs/

    A dog can be friendly, but can turn aggressive if the wrong button is pushed. And like many people have experienced, that is why the "omg i'm so sorry my dog is usually friendly" line comes out. It is better to prevent a situation than it is to correct one. So just don't do it!

  • My Reiko is only good off-leash in the dog park. I had to chase him for 10 minutes one day when he was about 6mos because he took it upon himself to run out the front door and run free in the wind.. I was so nervous that he would keep running in a straight line and never turn back. He is so fast. He decided to turn around and I snatched him off the ground just in time.
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  • dorapochdorapoch
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    Lately, I've been hearing about how the owner of the shiba next door to use has been letting their shiba of 2 weeks older than Ginko off leash in the front yard. As I was taking Ginko out to head to the puppy academy, the dog out of nowhere, ran right to us and jumped on Ginko...with no owners in sight! I think Ginko got scared after falling a few times because that one was more aggressive with play and was growling, but Ginko is still very timid with other dogs.

    I was a bit upset because the owners weren't there and Ginko started backing away while shaking, so I picked him up. Only then did two kids came running up to get their puppy...

    I am kind of jealous that their dog isn't running away and never coming back, but I didn't like how we got jumped and wouldn't want Ginko doing it to other dogs.
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  • BootzBootz
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    @dorapoch, you should warn them about that. A fellow dog park owner spoke about how her dog nipped at a kid while off leash. The parents of the kid freaked out and called animal control. Long story short. The dog park owner did get their dog back couple days later, but with a big bill for 1. having the dog being off leash and then 2. having to pay to reclaim their dog at the pound.

    Also if I were you. Being the worried parent that I am, I would kick the damn dog away. Thats another risk for them having a dog off leash.
  • MayamaMayama
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  • GatsuGatsu
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    Guts has the worst recall I've ever seen in all the shibas I've met. So I only let him loose in parks. Today Guts had a play date with Lucy(lucylu). We took the dogs to a big dog park, with hills, a lot of trees, a river, and it's a nice place to walk and hike. Well it was too muddy, so We stayed on top of one of the hills. Guts and Lucy eventually ran off out of site, and were gone for maybe 10 minutes. They eventually returned to the hill. Guts always comes back.

    But it's nice when Lucy is with him though. Because she has pretty good recall, so chad calls her back. She'll come, and Guts follows. lol
  • dorapochdorapoch
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    Definitely will warn them next time I see the owner. I want them to be friends, but I don't know if they will be able to help me supervise them. I don't want to be pulling their dog away if she starts playing too rough for Ginko.
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    Post edited by Saya at 2012-08-28 12:14:15
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    Post edited by Saya at 2012-08-28 12:36:16
  • BootzBootz
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    Lol. In Windy SF....Bootz gets worked up by wood chips getting blown by the wind...I have been working on her leave it command...but if 797542750275 wood chips get blown like a tumbleweed...its hard for her to resist XD

    Having gone to Fort Funston once in a while, Bootz recall is great. My bf let her offleash in a grassy area by our townhouse a couple weeks ago so she can play with another dog. (of course i mentioned it was a bad idea) The other dog got scared and ran home, (Two blocks away) Bootz followed. My bf ran crazily after her. I walked slowly behind her, recalled Jackie first...leashed her...then went after my BF. Next thing you know, Bootz turns the corner onto my street. "Bootz come" was the two words I said. She walked over to me. Stood there and waited while I leash her. Then she saw my bf running around the corner. I swear she was laughing at him. XD
    Post edited by Bootz at 2012-08-28 13:10:45
  • atlasatlas
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    Mitsu will probably never be an off-lead dog. Her recall is 100% if she is on a long leash. I think this is because she understands that when she's on a leash, she doesn't have much of a choice, even if it is a long leash. It also keeps her focused on the treat reward. Her recall semi-decent when she's off the lead, but even in our familiar (fenced) back yard there are have been times where she's been too distracted/interested in something else to come when called. Though I was surprised the other day when she opted not to try to chase a bunny while leashed - she just kind of gave a start and then sniffed around without pulling - but I'm pretty sure she would have capitalized on the opportunity to chase if she weren't leashed. She's caught birds and a bunny (and a rat) in our yard before.

    Other variables affect her recall as well. When she's hot, her recall decreases because she's not interested in treats, which usually really motivate her, and since she's never been very praise or toy motivated, treats are really my only option.

    I think even if she showed better recall when off of a leash, I'd be afraid to have her off lead unless the area were fenced, because I feel like there's always the chance that she might decide not to listen. But that's just my individual dog.

    My dalmatian sticks to us like glue, though. However, he doesn't go for off-lead hikes very often, because if he's off the leash Mitsu won't loose leash walk. We either take them separately or keep him on a leash.
    Post edited by atlas at 2012-08-28 14:02:45
  • micomico
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    Suki has fantastic recall and we use a hand signal which she responds to straight away if there are other dogs we don't know off their lead or if they're on a lead. If we're in the nearby forest which has mountain bike trails we'll call her back and keep her in a sit position and use the command wait and eye contact until the bikers have passed by, then she's rewarded and released.

    She's an angel compared to my last dog, a golden retriever, who would run off at the first chance he got but we did start work on her recall from the day we brought her home and found a good training class. When we told the instructor all the guides said shibas should never be let off their leads he said b*llocks and his strategies work for us. We can open the front door and she won't attempt to go out and when she goes out the back gate without her lead she knows to sit down between the cars because that means she's going somewhere nice.
  • only two places we can have Nookie off leash is the house and the car
  • NiNa89NiNa89
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    Well Goku was really grest off leash, since he was puppy I would walk him off leash in some areas. He was never interested in chaseing animals that much untill today. He is now 13 months old and this morning was first time that i saw his prey drive for birds that were flying low. He didn't hear me at all. I yelled for maybe 15 min and trying to catch him but he really had a hige focus on those birds. I wouldn't let him off leash if he showed any interests in birds before but he didn't.we are going to that park every day, he saw those birds a thousends of times and he didn't care about them so why now? Even if he did chase something before it would last for few minutes and he would come back. He had a great recall and he never did anything similar to me before so I was really shocked and sad becouse we had a great off leash walks and I would like to keep that. So does anybody knoow's any positive training methods for recall in that mode and games or something that his prey drive can be sadisfated and he can still listen to me. I would be really gratefull!
  • knnwangknnwang
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    I trust Ratchet to find me. But when his pray drive kicks in he's an idiot around main roads or streets.

    He's mostly on leash. I give him verbal commands like heal, wait, sit, cross, or sidewalk (if he jumps on the asphalt during a walk.) Any insight in helping him understand asphalt/road s are dangerous when he's in pray/investigate mode well also be greatly appreciate.
  • NiNa89NiNa89
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    Yeah, Goku is great with obidience and he never showed this kind of prey drive before. Every day Im in that park and on that meadow and the birds are always there so I really don't know what kicked him in his head and it would be great to find some games or anything else to redirect his atention :/
  • fisticuffsfisticuffs
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    Kiri's prey drive is still decently strong, but "proofing" her listening skills made her reliable off leash.
    Basically, you expose them repeatedly to things that are a distraction while trying to keep their attention, working from lesser distractions to stronger ones. Work slowly and only move on when you've got the lesser distraction perfect. When we moved to outside where her distraction could be dangerous, I put her on a 30 ft lead. It was very light-weight, which I think it important because the leash can be just as much of a deterrent psychologically as physically, many dogs act differently off-leash because they know they're free. It will take time (several months of working on it daily) and it might be frustrating at times, but I think almost every dog can be made off-leash reliable with enough work.
    Ignoring her unreliability off leash wasn't an option for me because of my leash-dropping problems, so I had to start young. I think it might be easier if they're a little older though, a little less excited about everything.
  • NiNa89NiNa89
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    Thanks :) Im using 10m long leash. But when you use that leash how exactly do you use it and does your shiba have normal collar or harness? And what kind of destractions do you use on your shiba?
    Today I bought cat toys like feathers on stick and some squeezing duck and he loved it! Expectialy feather toy. I hope it will work.
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  • NiNa89NiNa89
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    @fisticuffs

    Thanks a lot! I will check her videos :)
    Yeah, we had some problems with female in heat but it was diferent and we solve that out but with that prey drive instict is completly diferent. The only thing he see and wants is pray. I have to admit they really look magnifiecnt while chasing their prey.
    Anyway, thanks again!
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  • NiNa89NiNa89
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    @gemma

    How old is she and what methodts did you use to teach her that?

    Well the thing is here that goku doesn't care about most of the birds like crows and pidgeons... Acctauly he does care just for one kind of birds and that are house martin or swallow ( I really don't know the right translation for that species of bird)
    I was really suprised that happend, becouse next day we were in dog park and the bird was like 50cm from his face and he didn't care. Ah well i started to work on distraction with clicker and if anyone knows any other good sugestions a would be very grateful :)
  • GemmaGemma
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    @NiNa89 we just used standard recall training starting from the moment we got her :) Any places that may have had distractions we had her on a long line and she gets LOTS of praise when she returned to us.

    I also have an emergency recall which is me putting my open palm out to the side and saying "Laika come", we only use that to call her away from dogs/animals and she always gets liver as a treat and a go with her favourite squeaky ball (Something only used for this recall). That way the emergency recall will always be worth her leaving whatever it is I'm calling her off :)
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    Post edited by Saya at 2014-08-24 14:50:53
  • micomico
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    We started by playing recall games in the back garden as soon as we brought Suki home and for her first offlead walk we went somewhere we know is really quiet and made sure we had high quality treats, even now I vary them so she doesn't think eww boring ... I'm not going back for that!

    We try and go somewhere different at the weekend and if she's unsure she won't go to far ahead and will look back to see where we are. We always call her back if another dog we don't know is approaching as she went through a snarly phase when she was about 2 and we could never predict which dogs she would react to.

    Maybe we're lucky where we live, there's a country park and farmland 2 minutes from our house and the majority of dogs are offlead. There's nothing nicer than seeing 6+ different breeds playing together while the humans have a gossip!
  • kiba888kiba888
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    I've been recall training Kiba for a few months whenever I get the chance with a 30-40 ft leash. He was pretty good if it was just me and him, if I let go -- he'd bolt which makes me frown. Anyways it's been constant practice in the backyard, in house, or local grass area.

    On labor day I decided to let go of the leash all day at a BBQ. His recall was perfect with hot dogs. Although his long leash was still on, it's still a step forward.

    My two cents: Use really high valued treats. It worked wonders

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