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ALS vs Puppy
  • BootzBootz
    Posts: 3495
    Bootz and Jackie have been eating wellness puppy then switched to blue buffalo puppy. I'm planning to switch to taste of the wild due to the massive gas they got from BB puppy lamb formula.

    My question is what preference do people have when choosing All life stage food vs puppy specific food? I have searched the forum and have not seen any discussion about this topic. TOTW is coming out with puppy formulas mid november, i was wondering if i should wait for that or get the all life stage.

    I heard from fellow dog park people that puppy formula makes dogs grow fast, which is the reason why they only fed puppy formula until 4 months then switched to all life stage formula. My puppies are currently about 5months.

    Thanks!
  • LosechLosech
    Posts: 2516
    Puppy formulas have more vitamins and minerals, I think, since puppies need more because they're growing? I could be wrong, I don't really know too much on that. I don't think it matters when it comes to ALS foods.
    I think it's a bigger problem for large and giant breeds than smaller ones like a Shiba.

    Conker didn't eat puppy food for very long since I switched him to raw, and he eats the exact same thing as he did when he was younger so I guess I've been feeding him an ALS food. If you can compare it like that.
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    You can start Shiba pups on ALS and it is fine. I would be more cautious of feeding grain free higher protein.
    "Common sense isn't so common"
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  • spammayspammay
    Posts: 31
    I'm very curious about this as well - what some pros and cons might be. I'm currently feeding my 4 month old puppy TOTW, but debating whether I should switch to a puppy formula instead.
  • lucylulucylu
    Posts: 500
    ALS is fine for smaller dogs. The thing you have to watch out for, especially for larger breeds is the calcium/phosphorus levels. You don't want that to be too high for large breeds as it could lead to bone problems. For a smaller dog like a Shiba there shouldn't be any issues though.
  • LaRen616LaRen616
    Posts: 221
    Yes Lucylu, on the GSD forum I belong to, we do not recommend puppies under 1 year of age eat TOTW because of the calcium/phosphorus levels, but I am not sure about feeding it to smaller breeds.

    I feed my cats and my male dog TOTW and I feed my female puppy Wellness Super5mix for LBP. I like Wellness' ingredients better and I plan on switching my male over to it but I've never had an issue with TOTW and will always recommend it especially since it's grainfree and their Lamb and Salmon formulas are great for dogs with allergies to chicken because they do not contain any chicken in them.
    Lauren

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  • SayaSaya
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    I like Totw for it's quality and price.. Bella gets the bison/deer, duck, and lamb in rotation she also gets wellness core ocean in rotation she does well on the Totw..

    Bella got Wellness puppy food and did good on it, Saya was on chicken soup for puppy's lover soul and then wellness puppy and at 8months she was switched to raw..

    I think the different formulas of Totw has different protein levels I think fish is lower maybe I forgot I don't get the fish since I get wellness core ocean. Wellness core line is adult only..
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  • BootzBootz
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    @ Saya, I was planning on getting the bison one...sounds tasty.

    Bootz prefers lamb over the chicken or fish. Although little Jackie seems to be the picky one...as she has gotten sick of the BB lamb.
    Post edited by Bootz at 2011-10-27 17:23:19
  • AnnaAnna
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    @spammay I think TOTW is fine for a pup (at least a Shiba pup anyways). The breeder I got Hammond from started the pups on that when they first started weaning and currently he is eating the salmon one (breeder had been feeding the bison). He seemed to love them both, but he gobbles the salmon faster. He's got lots of energy and has been having firm poops, so everything seems good.
  • KikkiKikki
    Posts: 73
    Yuna was on TOTW puppy formula with bison at the breeder's but we switched her over to the ALS (still bison) as soon as we got her so all 3 dogs could eat it. Last Friday when we visited the breeder, her litter mate that the breeder was keeping was like 2-3 pounds heavier and visibly bigger than Yuna. The only difference in their diet is that Yuna is on ALS and her litter mate is on the puppy formula. Can the puppy formula really do that big of a difference? I read everywhere that A good ALS kibble should be more than fine if you don't have a large/giant breed puppy. Kind of regret not staying on puppy a little longer, should I put her back on puppy?
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  • jennjenn
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    @Kikki is the littermate you saw a male or female? It's also possible that the dog just had a growth spurt before Yuna has if its also a female.
    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
  • KikkiKikki
    Posts: 73
    @jenn, the litter mate was also female. Yuna doesn't eat as much as the bag says she should, I do know the bags are off majority of the time much since I don't know how many calories a puppy is supposed to eat daily (which I know with our 2 older dogs), I still worry she doesn't eat enough.
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  • jennjenn
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    @Kikki The dog food calculators I have seen are for adults only, so from my bag of puppy food (Merrick Chicken & Brown Rice Puppy), it suggests 370 calories for 6lb puppies, 550 cal for 10lb puppies, 750 cal for 15lb puppies, and 920 calories for 20 lb puppies who are over 16 weeks, per day. If Yuna is under 16 weeks it suggests 460, 680, 880, or 1150 calories per day in the same weight order.

    If she's not eating her whole meal at what I assume is two meals a day, maybe try feeding her smaller snacks of the kibble in between meals? We do training with Rigby's kibble sometimes, so if she is food motivated you could work with her during meal or snack time.
    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
    Post edited by jenn at 2013-07-01 00:13:00
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    The breeder may have placed Yuna as a pet because she was smaller naturally...
    "Common sense isn't so common"
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  • KikkiKikki
    Posts: 73
    @jenn, you're right. I use DFA's food calculator and it's for adult and senior dogs only. Thanks for sharing the suggetions on your food bag. Yuna turned exactly 3 months today and according to the suggestions she is eating enough. What a relief, however, we do feed her 3 times a day still because she doesn't eat much each time. Aside from that she does get rawhide sticks to chew on which she really likes and keeps her occupied, we'll probably get some bully sticks too. I also give her a spoonful of raw meat few times a week when our older dogs get some. Does anyone know if it's ok for puppies have raw egg btw? I was giving Trip some last week and she gallopted to the bowl and had a few quick licks before I managed to remove her. She loved it (the loves everything raw) and was licking her chomps crying for more.

    @lindsayt they looked and felt the same size the day we came and saw them for the first time but you're probably right. Yuna's frame looks a lot "slender" compared to her litter mate.
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  • ArcticArctic
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    Yes, you can give your pup raw egg. Mine has gotten one about once a week since she was three months old.

    Also, I would not subscribe the size difference to the food. One of my Roy's littermates is also a female and, although they were similar in size as puppies, ended up noticeably bigger than my dog. Anecdotal evidence, but my point is that dogs come out in different sizes. It's probably more of a natural thing than anything to do with food.
  • TengaiTengai
    Posts: 275
    I feed raw, there is no puppy formula! Pups turn out fine, no growth issues no health issues. They get a natural calcium/phosphorus ratio. When I do feed kibble they get weaned to puppy kibble one meal 2 meals raw until about 10 weeks or when I run out of puppy kibble, then they go to adult formula for 1 meal/kong stuffing. Other 2 meals raw.
  • KikkiKikki
    Posts: 73
    Thanks for the info guys! @Arctic, I'll follow suit and start giving Yuna a raw egg each week as she just turned 3 months. She loves it! Wish my 2 older dogs could enjoy it too but Trip only finishes half and Belly just refuses flat out. Ultimately want to switch them over to raw once we get our own place and Yuna will hands down be the happiest amongst the 3.
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  • JuniJuni
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    Raw egg yoke is fine, but not raw egg whites, from what I've read. There are substances in the raw eggwhite that prevents the uptake of vitamin B and protein.
  • KikkiKikki
    Posts: 73
    The egg yolk and egg white complete each other so it's fine as long as you give the entire egg.

    Egg whites cause Biotin deficiency – Egg whites contain avidin, a Biotin (one of the B vitamins) inhibitor.  Biotin is one of the B vitamins and is important for cellular growth, fatty acid metabolism and good skin and coat.  Biotin deficiencies are quite rare and it would take an extraordinary amount of eggs to create a deficiency.  Moreover, egg yolks are very high in biotin, so as long as you feed the entire egg, there are few worries.  There are other sources of biotin in the diet as well.  Liver is a particularly good source.  Once again, cooking the egg white will eliminate the risk but your dog will lose much of the nutritional value.  If feeding your dog eggs on a regular basis, simply make sure he gets the whole egg, not just the white.


    Source: http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/feeding-your-dog-raw-eggs-good-or-bad/
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  • JuniJuni
    Posts: 1269
    Oh great I didn't know that, also I didn't know how to spell yolk.... :-)
  • KikkiKikki
    Posts: 73
    Haha, you made me laugh about the spelling of yolk. Must be a Swedish thing because I uptil recently thought it was yoke too.
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