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Toxic Items?
  • AnnaAnna
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    So, in preparation for my pup (I bring him home either October 1st or 15th! No pictures yet, but I'll follow up with the breeder this week) I've been doing all the supply buying, vet researching, etc.

    One thing I'm trying to do is put together a list of things to avoid letting him eat (either by accident or purposely giving as a snack). I know there are a lot of weird things out there that, until I'd heard were toxic, I would've thought would be fine for dogs to eat.

    I found this list as a starting point:

    Onions and grapes were two that had surprised me.

    So, I was curious, are there any things NOT on that list that have made your pups sick? Even if they're not necessarily "toxic", any suggestions of things to avoid? Or thing to very carefully moderate (like cheese and hot dogs and whatnot). Items to watch for in kibble ingredients would be appreciated too!

    I thought I'd heard garlic was a problem too, can anyone confirm that?
  • KibaInuKibaInu
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    anything with pseudoephedrine should also be avoided.
  • I wish those lists were clearer, because they don't always tell you how dangerous stuff is, and really, we do need to know that. Like if they eat a little milk chocolate, or something chocolate flavored, they will probably be fine, but baker's chocolate that is pure dark chocolate is very dangerous to dogs. (My dogs once ate a pound of good gourmet chocolate to no ill effects, except my great displeasure as they got the package from the FedEx guy before I could. Which doesn't mean it's safe, but just points out that regular chocolate can make them sick but won't kill them, but bakers chocolate can be very dangerous depending on the amount eaten and the size of the dog).

    Apparently, for example, the artificial sweetner xylitol is VERY toxic to dogs, even in very small amounts, and can cause seizures. It would be useful to know that,rather than have all these lumped together.

    Grapes are puzzling one to me too, because will grapes make a dog sick? Really poison them? I'd like to know how much to worry about on all these things (before I heard about the grape thing, I watched my best friend's GSD happily snack on the grapes in her yard. He still does it when he can reach them. He's never gotten sick). Or is it more likely they'll get sick from the concentrated effect of raisins? Or is it something we might not see right away?

    Anyway, just something I'd like to see on these lists. What happens when a dog has ill effects (so we could know its from what they ate) and how dangerous and in what amounts all these things are.

    As for cheese and hotdogs, lots of people use them as training treats, and as long as they don't upset the dog's stomach, they should be fine. Just remember to adjust the amount of regular food your dog gets if you use a lot of fattening training treats. My dogs get a fair amount of cheese (about a cheese stick a day) as treats and to hide their pills in.

    One thing that wasn't on that list that I discovered that is scary is that there can be toxins (from a type of fungus) in compost that is very toxic to dogs. I know someone who lost a dog because of it,and another who got very ill. It's not common, but can happen, so keep dogs out of the compost pile if you have one.

    Also gardening related, my dogs love to dig up bulbs and eat them, so I have to be super vigilant, because many bulbs can be toxic, esp. the fall crocuses.

    eta: I think garlic is fine in small doses.
    Post edited by shibamistress at 2011-09-06 13:26:44
  • AnnaAnna
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    Thanks KibaInu! I'll be sure to keep an eye out for that, as I am prone to sinus infections and real Sudafed is the only thing that helps. At least the medicine cabinet is way up high, haha.

    Shibamistress: I agree! I wish there were a couple of clearly defined lists:

    Normal Food that's toxic
    Human Medicines that are toxic (I mean, I'd just assume 'all' to be safe, but I know anti-histamines and benadryl can be used if necessary)
    Common Plants that are toxic

    With associated breakdowns of How Toxic. It'd be hard because yeah, it varies depending on dog size/weight and some dogs seem resistant. Some things are toxic in small doses, others have to be ridiculous amounts, but still helpful to know. (Like with grapes... I think it's something in the skin, not the grape itself, and a GSD is so large he'd probably need to eat his weight in grapes to have an effect? I dunno). Same with alcohol; I know plenty of people who give their dogs the occasional "sip" of beer with no ill-effects.

    Maybe at the first vet visit I'll ask about it. One the one hand it'd be nice to know in general, but on the other only the effects to small/medium dogs will affect me, since I'll only have the one Shiba.
  • My vet gave me a handout on our first visit of all the different plants that were toxic and non-toxic to dogs. Hopefully yours will have something also.
  • LosechLosech
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    I'd found this huge database of toxic foods, plants and medicines that explained why a dog shouldn't eat them, but I can't for the life of me remember were it was! I really want to find it now.
  • @Losech....if you find it, I'd love to see it!
  • SayaSaya
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  • AnnaAnna
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    FoxyLover: I hope so! If not, I'll ask. Or I can ask at the local shelter, they might have that sort of thing too. I am certified in pet CPR, so I've got the Dog First Aid book. I'll have to check and see if maybe they have a good list. (When I went it as mostly for my cat, so I didn't spend a lot of time flipping through the dog book outside of class)

    Losech: I'd love to check that out too, if you remember where it was!

    Saya: Cooked bones I remember from having a dog before were bad. But that's about the extent of it, haha. Our family dog was fed any and everything. Including cow's milk, which while not toxic, I'm pretty sure cats and dogs are not supposed to have, right? As it can make them sick or give them the runs?

    I'm not too worried about kibbe. I've been reading enough here to have decided to avoid as many potential problems as possible, so I'm going with Taste of the Wild right off the bat. I'd rather just feed him higher quality food and never have to worry about grain allergies, haha. If he seems not to like it or doesn't do well on it, I'll try the other brands like Chicken Soup or Wellness that people here use a lot.

    Mushrooms and compost are luckily things I won't have to worry about at home (I hate mushrooms and live in an apartment, so no backyard for composting), but I will keep an eye on him when I visit friends where he might get into either. Thanks! :D
  • Post edited by curlytails at 2011-09-06 17:23:09
  • AnnaAnna
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    Thanks Curlytails! I'm going to read all of them! :D
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  • Curlytails post should be stickied! The pictures are a huge help when trying to determine which plants on the list are toxic. Thanks for sharing that.
  • Ooooh....those are good additions! I didn't know about macadamia nuts, and that's a good one for me to know, because when I'm eating Trader Joe's trail mix, I sometimes toss the dogs a nut or two, so I will make sure I look before doing it next time!

    And good to know about the stuff that can be treated at home. Bel often tries to eat fire logs. (Why? They can't possibly taste good, but maybe they like the texture?) I've managed to catch her when she's done it, though.

    Oh, and here's something I know from experience. Don't let them get into oatmeal. Once my dogs opened a cabinet where oatmeal was stored and ate a lot of it (like the equivelent of one of those big round Quaker oats containers). One Shiba and one GSD shared it, while I was away, maybe gone 4 hours. I came home to serious doggie diarrhea. Like all over the house. Apparently it works quickly.

    One more thing, not a toxin, but something to be careful of. Two separate forum members have lost their Shibas when the dogs got their heads stuck in plastic bags (like chip bags or other food bags) and they couldn't get their heads out and they suffocated. Be super vigilant about what is around that Shibas can get at, off the counter, out of the trash, etc.
    Post edited by shibamistress at 2011-09-07 00:45:46
  • AnnaAnna
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    Shibamistress: Thanks for the additional, non-toxin related suggestions! I'll definitely be going the uber-protective "he's tied to me or else he's in the crate" route, so hopefully that will limit his ability to find trouble. I'll definitely be sure to keep oatmeal out of the house! XD

    But I'm in the process of scouring my apartment for things low to the ground and judging "do I care if a dog chews this? Will chewing this kill a dog?" and moving stuff around as necessary.
  • SayaSaya
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  • redcattooredcattoo
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    Good bump ... for those in Florida remember that once rainy season hits (typically around late May) the Bufo Marinus (toad) also known cane toad, marine toad, giant toad, becomes a big issue especially if walking in the early morning before sunrise.

    Here is a link to remind you about the real danger these can be to our pets here in Florida ...

    I think this also can affect those in Texas in regards to the US and I believe Australia and the Caribbean also have to deal with these very dangerous toads.
    Post edited by redcattoo at 2013-03-12 10:06:41
  • demarcostdemarcost
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    @redcattoo - Thanks for the toad info! It is getting to be about that time. My level of paranoia and panic regarding the whole toad situation is fairly high. I live more toward Central Florida, in Tampa, so hopefully those are a little less common up here. We do have an in ground pool though, so, that doesn't help. Despite our best efforts our youngest boy Ronin got to a few last season. The first one was particularly bad - when he was given the "drop it" command he decided instead to shake it like a chew toy. It must have released something foul, because seconds later he dropped it and started coughing. We rinsed out his mouth immediately, but the trouble breathing and vomiting that followed had me practically in hysterics. Thankfully he didn't have any serious side effects beyond that. I though that, a smart as Shibas are, maybe he'd learn his lesson and stop hunting frogs and toads, but apparently they're just too good to resist.
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    @demarcost, I am so glad that he ended up okay. I know someone who last October (the other big season to see them) lost a dog to the toads. That dog was a very titled agility dog and the owner trains other agility students, so I know it wasn't for a lack of supervision or care for the dog.
  • amtiamti
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    @shibamistress My son and I have gone to A&M's Vet Open House the last few years. One of the seminars we attended told us a few things that were poisonous to dogs and grapes/raisins were on that list. The vet said that it causes kidney failure in some dogs. And while not all dogs are affected, they do not know which ones are affected so they tell everyone to keep grapes/raisins away for safety purposes.
  • HaloHalo
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    Potporri is also toxic to dogs and puppies, and even young children when they eat it.
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    While going through my FB stuff I came across this link that I thought would be good to share here
  • zeketazzeketaz
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    These are toxic as case link stops working it lists:

    Water Hemlock/Spotted Parsley (Cicuta maculata)
    Mistletoe (Phoradendron flavescens)
    Mountain Laurel (Kalmia latifolia)
    Purple Nightshade (Atropa belladonna)
    Poinsettia (Euphorbia pulcherrima)
    Oleander (Nerium oleander)
    Larkspur (Delphinium consolida)
    Foxglove (Digitalis purpurea)
    Poet's Narcissus (Narcissus poeticus)
    Hydrangea (Hydrangea macrophylla)
    Lily-of-the-Valley (Convallaria majalis)
  • For specific signs and symptoms of eating some of those items, the only two I know anything about are grapes and onions...

    I know with onions the main concern is that it can cause hemolytic anemia in dogs. Here's an example with symptoms and everything:

    As for grapes, one or two won't cause a problem, but any more and it can cause renal failure.
  • EsperchanEsperchan
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    I know its a bit late, but easter lily. My mom used to work in a flower shop and a lady came in and said eating easter lily killed her cat. Don't know about dogs, but better safe than sorry.
  • Actually so is lily of the valley (which was on that list from @zandrame). Even worse than easter lilies I believe. The dangerous thing about lily of the valley is that all parts of the plant are very toxic. Even the water in which you place a cut flower is enough to cause an adverse reaction.
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  • shibamistressshibamistress
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  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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  • Thanks for the update @Kira_Kira ! Really appreciate this, and this is being sent out to all my friends!
  • AntoinetteAntoinette
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    Thanks for the update @Kira_Kira.
  • cpbealcpbeal
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    I wasn't totally sure where to put this question, but where I'm worried about something he's eating, I thought "Toxic Items" would be the place!

    Toma is four and a half months old, and recently he has gotten into the habit of picking up wild mushrooms and walking around with them outside. He doesn't usually eat them, but sometimes when I try to take it from him he will break off a piece and try to eat it before I can get it out. He's always had a few weird quirks when outside (he used to pick up a rock or stick to take with him to go to the bathroom, and he would leave it where he went after he was done), so I figured this was another strange habit. But I'm worried about him eating them. Has anyone else had this happen?
  • spacedogsspacedogs
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    Laika will do this, too, with the hydrangea and lillies in the yard, but only if I make a fuss about it. If I offer her a treat in barter she'll drop the flower and leave it, and she stays away from them entirely unless someone makes a fuss about her being near .. in which case it must be a game and she should definitely grab a flower and start running around the yard trying to eat it.

    What a turd.

    Anyway, try bartering for the mushroom instead of fussing over it. Might work easier. Also try teaching them a "leave it", works for most things unless there's a game afoot or something they REALLY want to eat.
  • rantosdadrantosdad
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    There's an android app called 'APCC by ASPCA' that is pretty informative. It has a list of medications, foods, plants, cold/warm weather and household hazards and tells the severity of the substance.
  • Shiro_PiShiro_Pi
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    Are there any items that are "Shiba Specific"?

    For example, (never tried, not 100% sure if it's true) Catnip usually acts as a sedative of sorts to dogs, but Shibas will get high like cats on them.

    Are there any things Shiba owners should look out for that may be safe for other breeds?

    Also, garlic is fine in small doses. Petvalu sells beef jerky that contains garlic and they LOVE it.

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