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  • lucylulucylu
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    I have a trip booked to LA in November and I'd like to take Lucy with us. Airtran looks like it's only $69 each way. The thing I worry about is if the dog is making her "monkey sounds" and crying the entire time being in a small crate under the seat. That will not be an enjoyable flight for anyone on the plane. Has anyone traveled before and had problems? What can you do?
    Post edited by sunyata at 2011-09-22 15:57:07
  • KibaInuKibaInu
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    i don't think i could fit mines in a crate that fits underneath an airplane seat. airplane seats also have varying widths...normally center seats have more space cause the window and aisle have rails that sort of cut it short.

    Also the height is very tapered...starts out taller but gets shorter cause there's generally a life preserver stuffed underneath the person in front of you. i think it can get as low as 8 inch clearance on that...maybe more.

    these measurements vary though depending on the aircraft so i'd check to see if there's already airplane-ready on-cabin crates and see if your pup can fit comfortably in those...otherwise i don't think on-cabin will be an option.
  • lucylulucylu
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    The crate dimensions they require are 8.5 high x 17 long x 12 wide. hmm, maybe this isn't big enough for her. I haven't measured her, but she's 16 pounds. Figured she could lay down for the flight, though.
  • I was going to fly with Neo in-cabin when I took a trip to SC recently, even bought a carrier and all. But he had a growth spurt and didn't fit in the carrier anymore! He was only 4 months at the time, but he's tall and was taller than the under the seat requirements. Be sure to get Lucy accustomed to the carrier she would be flying in as well, if she isn't already.

    I had to buy a kennel for him to fly in the baggage area. I was very leery about having him fly that way, hearing all those horror stories about how they either escape or worse. I flew American Airlines and they assured me that the area was climate controlled, around 50-70 degrees F. I of course was still a nervous wreck about the whole thing. It's a bit pricier flying in the baggage area, it was $175 one way, almost as much a regular ticket! The only good thing that kept my nerves a bit calm was that it was only an hour and 10 minute flight.

    I do suggest if you decide to fly with your dog, that you get to the airport a bit earlier than you would normally if you were going w/out dog, especially if it's near the holidays. Make sure to bring a health certificate (or any other documents, i.e. any type of medication your dog might be on) from your vet that has been dated as close to your travel date as possible, some airlines require that it has to be within 10 days of travel. I read some airlines don't require one if you're bringing the dog in-cabin, but it's always good to have it in case they do ask, don't want to be turned down because you didn't have that document! Also any extra old towels or blankets, in case she has an accident during the flight, and wipes too would help. I gave Neo a Benadryl an hour before my flight, just to try to keep him calm (it was his first flight). Not sure if it worked, I know it definitely didn't work on the flight to SC, because he did have an accident in his crate. On the flight back, he was fine. :) If you decide that you need to fly her in the baggage area, you can always ask the baggage people, the ones that work with the over-sized luggage that you can't put in the over head compartments, to confirm that your dog has boarded on the plane. I asked them and the flight attendants to check that my dog was on the plane.

    Hope that helped some.
  • sunyatasunyata
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    Post edited by sunyata at 2011-09-04 10:45:39
  • If she fits in a carrier that is airline certified, then you can bring her on the flight. Bringing her on the flight is much cheaper than checking her in as cargo (usually $150). Try to give her some anti-anxiety treats that are primarily used for traveling. If the flight is just for a few hours I dont think it will be a problem. Btw, you have to contact the airline ahead of time because there is a legal amount of animals that they can bring on the plane for heath reasons.
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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  • I flew delta and this woman and two (smaller) sized white dogs (unsure of the breed). They didn't have crates and were just on a lease, and it was a flight from SF to Minnesota. I am sure they weren't service dogs thoughBenny Bear. Shiba Inu year and a half old living in Tempe, AZ
  • sunyatasunyata
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  • Post edited by Akio111410 at 2011-09-05 13:19:49
  • CandyCandy
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    How was the puppy after you retrieved him at the end of your flight? I have contemplated wether to bring my dog on a plane in the future or not :l
  • DjinnDjinn
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  • kumaDUDEkumaDUDE
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    She flies with her dog all the time, I met Tokyo at one of the SoCal meet ups, she's about 2in shorter than a typical female shiba. I'm guessing she just lays in her carrier and sleeps, I doubt she's done a 12hr flight though...

    @djinn I'm sorry to hear, but maybe you can try doing short flights from one part of Japan to another? Get them accustomed to flying and being under the seat, see how they take a liking to it, reward them every few minutes and go from there.
  • RyanRyan
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  • Post edited by curlytails at 2012-11-26 19:51:29
  • SayaSaya
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  • Moshi flew as my checked luggage, it was a 3.5 hour flight (including half-hour stopover), I checked him in one and a half hours prior to the flight and collected him from the freight area about an hour after the plane landed. I put the crate straight into the car (it was dark when I arrived and I was too terrified to get him out of the crate until I got him home, in case he ran off into the dark).Total 6.5 hours in his crate. I would do it again, if I had to.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    This thread has been super helpful. I'm planning on flying with Ozzy in late July. I'm probably way overthinking everything but I want to be as prepared as possible and make sure I'm not missing anything, so if anyone has additional tips for checking a pup on a plane, let me know!

    I'm wondering if I should get one of those hamster style water dispensers for his crate, or maybe put ice in a crate bowl that he can lap up as it melts or something..? Don't want the bowl to be loose or anything in case of turbulence tho... His crate has a compartment on top to put some stuff in like extra leash, food portions in case of delay, etc, but the flight is 7-ish hours so it would be ideal if he had access to water...

    Would something like a thunder shirt be wholly unnecessary?? Ozzy isn't really anxious, though maybe a bit of separation anxiety. And I imagine an experience like this would create stress for any dog, especially when it's their first time. My parents have a thunder shirt they could mail me (gifted for their poodle but it's too big for her, size medium). But do you think it would be useful or just make him more uncomfortable / hot? I'm planning on trying to take a red eye flight so it won't be too hot (airlines also won't fly animals of its 85+ in place of departure or arrival). Ozzy definitely doesn't like to be alone, and it'll be such a new experience for him, I want to make him as comfy as possible. Will include a blanket / towel of familiar smells or maybe one of my shirts in the crate with him. If thunder shirt would help him feel more secure (with introduction training beforehand), it's free to me so no reason not too except of it would just make him more uncomfortable being in clothing, and I don't know how hot the material is or anything...

    Any additional tips are so appreciated! I've flown by myself a few times, but never with a pet being checked on the plane. D:
  • imBLASIANimBLASIAN
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    If possible, see if the airlines will let you bring Ozzy in the cabin with you. I'm sure Ozzy would be much happier that way and it would give you way more peace of mind.

    I flew with Ponyo at 4 orm5 months old and it was a 6 hour flight and she held her potty for about 9 hours because she refused to potty in the service dog area. She was silent and slept the whole time, we didn't even need to drug her.

    The baggage area tends to be cold, so I don't think Ozzy would be hot when actually in the air, but I would worry about the loading and unloading. You also never know what new thing will trigger a negative reaction :-/
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    @imBLASIAN - But if he was in the cabin, wouldn't he have to be in the tiny under seat crate?? I thought they were bigger in my mind, so I attempted to try them out at a pet store but there's no way he would be comfortable for 7 hours in a tiny crate. I would way prefer him to be in the cabin with me but figured that wasn't an option.

    For sure wouldn't want to use the thunder shirt if he didn't have time to become used to it or if he was more anxious wearing it or something. I think my parents are going to send me theirs anyway since it doesn't fit the poodle. So I'll still try to get him used to it and introduce it slowly in case it could be useful in the future, even if I don't use it on the flight. Who knows how he's gonna react to fireworks and thunderstorms lol, I live in a small town desert and he's so far never experienced either.
  • sunyatasunyata
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  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    @sunyata - ok. 7 hours would def be a pretty long time in that case. On the packaging it lists scenarios where it might be helpful and air travel is one of them, but being unsupervised and for 7 hours sounds like it would be too long. Although when I lived near Houston we definitely had thunderstorms for welllll beyond that length of time ha. Poor pups.

    I mentioned in my first comment that they don't fly pets if the temp is over 85 in destination or city of departure, so I'm trying to find a nighttime flight.
    Post edited by Lilikoi at 2016-06-08 10:39:55
  • I'm still really new here so I hope I'm not butting in but is it absolutely necessary to bring him with you? I don't mean that in a rude way, just curious. Maybe a nice boarding place would be a better option? I know not everyone has those within a reasonable distance though.

    I've just heard so many bad things about air cargo travel :( I don't think I could ever risk it.
  • imBLASIANimBLASIAN
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    @Lilikoi - Yea, Ozzy would need to be able to stand and turn around while in the bag.
    Probably at this point, he would only be allowed in the cabin if he was a emotional support or service animal.

    You could put a couple of frozen kongs with food/liquid for snacks/entertainment. The ice might end up spilling everywhere and melting anyway even if you put it in a bowl.

  • AntoinetteAntoinette
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    I was wondering the same thing as @JodiThibeault. I am not trying to be rude either-just wondered if there were other options. Is it at all possible to leave him with a trusted pet sitter?
  • episyrepisyr
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    For pet air travel, you'd be looking at 3 main options:

    1) In Cabin - if your pet is small enough to stand in its container under the seat
    2) As Checked Baggage - your pet would fly in the same plane as yourself, but in the checked baggage compartment at the back (Delta does not allow this between May 15-Sept 15 or at temperatures higher than 85F)
    3) As Cargo - you drop your pet off at the airline cargo facility and then pick it up from the cargo facility at your destination

    So for an adult Shiba to travel by air in July, Delta and United would direct you to cargo anyway, although other smaller companies might have different policies.

    Another option would be to register the pet as an Emotional Support Animal so that it could travel in the cabin on your lap. A lot of people take advantage of this option in order to bring larger animals into the cabin, but it is what it is. I once had a girl sit next to me on the plane with a mid-sized Thai Bangkaew mix on her lap, the dog never made a sound during the flight and no one had a problem with it.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    If he didn't come along, I wouldn't go at all. I honestly don't think I would ever board him. All the places (which are about 5 hours away from me anyway) have really bad reputations.

    I don't have a great deal of friends here, and none of them place much value on animals. Even my bf (who might be traveling at the same time anyway) is notoriously absentminded and irresponsible with pets, and that would be my best option for leaving him behind. D: I've considered just driving cross country if that would be easier, and it took a long time to convince me to even participate in this family reunion thing cus I won't sacrifice Ozzy's wellness... His biggest problem would be being separated from me and being alone. On the plane he would be alone for 6-7 hours. He would have to be alone that amount every day for 2 weeks if left behind.

    Ultimately, he's a member of my family. If I were a parent, I wouldn't leave my child behind with people I don't trust. He's included in all of my adventures. I don't think it's a rude suggestion at all, and a valid option in some cases. But in my situation, definitely more frightening to consider what he would have to go through for 2 weeks of separation as opposed to a short night on an airplane.

    Edit - I looked into mostly delta, United, and American Airlines, and preferred AA's way of having them as checked baggage on the same plane, while delta opts for cargo on a separate plane that might end up making the trip even longer than necessary.

    I've considered having him registered as an emotional support animal for a while... But I prefer to keep my experience with that private, and I wouldn't have him ESA registered just to take advantage of the system for air travel. So that's a possibility but not until I have a more professional opinion.
    Post edited by Lilikoi at 2016-06-08 16:05:34
  • Understood! Sounds like you're trying everything possible to do what will work best for Ozzy.

    I am rather spoiled here as I have a really great relationship with my vet where there is also a boarding facility and I have grilled them on how they function and am very pleased.

    I 100% agree with not leaving him with someone you don't know at all, I wouldn't be able to do that either! As you said, they are family! Sorry to hear that your bf and friends are so irresponsible around animals :( That makes everything a lot harder.
  • AntoinetteAntoinette
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    I am sorry there is not anyone trustworthy to watch Ozzy while you are gone. I totally understand as there is only one person whom I would trust with my Quakey. For me it's not that others are irresponsible-it's that they are not accustomed to Quakey's personality. They remark on how well trained and wonderful he is; but they wouldn't know what to do if he turned Shiba rascal on them!! LOL! I hope that your flight with Ozzy goes smoothly.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Thanks, I definitely hope everything goes smoothly and he doesn't have too terrible of an experience too. Hopefully he'll be able to sleep during the night on the airplane.

    My bf has gotten better, and I feel like I can trust him while I'm supervising him. Part of caring for Ozzy is teaching my bf the responsibilities of being a pet owner; his only experiences with pets were family pets that were ultimately neglected and ignored. :( thankfully he sees the importance and how rewarding it is to work with an animal now. It's great to see the transformation, but he can still be very absentminded and needs constant reminders and guidance lol. He's got good intentions, but I wouldn't trust him with Ozzy at this point.

    People always remark at how well Ozzy is trained too, but I think he would totally rule them if he was in their care haha. I wish I had more animal conscious friends.
  • AntoinetteAntoinette
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    People always remark at how well Ozzy is trained too, but I think he would totally rule them if he was in their care haha

    Yes, that is my feeling with Quakey. He would quickly rule most of my friends with one exception!

    I am glad your bf has gotten better. It takes some time to learn how to care for a Shiba.
  • @lilikoi I saw these and thought of you! https://www.pettravelstore.com/pages/Waterbites-Pet-Crate-Water.html I don't know if they are any good, but maybe something to ask your vet about? If it's safe it would be great to use in the crate instead of ice cubes.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    @JodiThibeault - cool! Those look interesting. Probably better than ice. They do seem kind of odd but I'll look into em, thanks!
  • They remind me of the gel that you can get for lizards and the crickets that you feed to lizards. I don't know what it's made of though, maybe just a little bit of gelatin?
  • WangeWange
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    Have anyone flight with their Shiba transatlantic, round trip?

    I am going on vacation for 3 weeks in France and Spain next September, from LAX. Direct fly means 11-13 hours in crate for Waffle. He will be 8 months by then, and i don't think i will be able to flight in-cabin with him. I would love to have him with me and show him France and Spain, but i am still wary to make him go through 2 x 11 hours flight within 3 weeks. Is it too much stress for them? Should i board him instead?

    I read about a bunch of people experience having their dog fly a 12 hours flight. But no one really mentioned the duration of their trip, nor the flight back...
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Do you know whether he can even fly to another country without having to go through a quarantine process?? Many European countries are completely rabies free, and are very careful about what animals they let into their country in order to keep it that way. So, sometimes they'll require that an animal flying in from a country that's does have rabies (like the USA) has to stay in quarantine until it's positive that they didn't bring / won't develop rabies (like if they aren't yet showing symptoms when they arrive). Sometimes this can last up to like 2 weeks. So when traveling overseas, it's often not worth it to bring the pup along when they would have to endure so much. But rules differ between countries, I think... Either way, I expect the rules to be pretty strict and stressful for a dog to comply with.
  • WangeWange
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    Just need to be microchipped, up to date for rabies vaccination, health certificate and at least 4 months old. Then to travel inside the EU, you need to have a certified vet to deliver a EU passport for your pet.
    Only non companion pets (like monkey) are put in quarantine in France anyway.

    From what i read on this website (http://www.dogjaunt.com), they sound to travel flight in-cabin to Europe pretty easily.
    My concern is that he might be too big to travel in-cabin, and in that case, is it worth it to make him travel as checked luggage?
  • JuniJuni
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    I think he will be too big for the cabine so he will have to be checked in luggage.

    To me, that alone would stop me from bringing him.

    France and Spain can be quite hot in September, depending on where you'll go. How will you travel once in Europe, by car or trains, buses? Have you checked out any dog friendly hotels?
    These are dog friendly countries in general so I think it is easy to bring your dog to bars and restaurants but not sure about public transport. But there are also quite a lot of off leash dogs that you will have to deal with.

    There are some health issues to consider too. You will need to protect your dog from leischmania, babesios, erlichia and alvoelar echinococcus and possibly some more.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Ooh cool! I was worried I'd never be able to travel to Europe again now that I have my pup. xP awesome news.

    Hmm I think a lot depends on the plans for your trip, too. If you'll be going from one place to another constantly, if you'll be going to a lot of attractions / places that you wouldn't be able to bring a dog (or would be too busy to focus enough attention on a dog), etc. I have plans this summer to visit Florida for a couple of weeks, and we would be spending a few days at Disney world, and the rest at a beach cabin. I usually bring Ozzy with me on trips... but I'm not planning on taking him to this one. Even just a few days that he would have to spend alone while we all go to Disney does not seem worth it, despite how great it would be to have him at the beach for the rest of the trip. Though we might end up going on a different summer trip that he would definitely come along for. It depends on the destination and plans.
  • WangeWange
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    I came across this blog during one of my research session http://thetropicaldog.com/en/travels-with-a-dog/. She travels with a "big" dog.

    "I have been traveling with Shark for more than a year now: from the Indian ocean to North Africa, then Europe and finally South America. During this year, my dog and I traveled together on 9 flights: 3 national flights (1-2 hours each), 4 international flights (3-4 hours each) and 2 intercontinental flights (12 hours each). So yes, I have some experience in traveling with a dog by air".

    I don't plan to stay in the big cities and more of hiking and discovering the country side. So my Shiba will fit perfectly in my plans. I am just very wary about putting him through 2x13 hours in such a short time period.
    Post edited by Wange at 2017-03-26 19:54:34
  • JuniJuni
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    Have you checked the price for airline transport yet? My guess it will at least be the price of an additional ticket.
    In smaller towns and villages I think it may be harder to find dog friendly accommodation too.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Post edited by Lilikoi at 2017-03-28 03:32:15

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