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  • scarletscarlet
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    RFLMAO Brandon!  Jake is such a normal Shiba male.  It is I who is in training and continuing to grow and learn.
  • RyuRyu
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    Brandon: Are you in MO?!? At first, I was really dreading FLW (Fort Lost in the Woods) but I'm ready for a change. That's where Tim and I got engaged so it holds a special (albeit cold and miserable) place in my heart :-)



    Brad: Don't worry - I'm horrible when it comes to geography. Without looking at a map I can't tell you where any of the mid-western states are located :)



     

  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    I'm in Madison, WI. 
  • RyuRyu
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    Ok, I had to get out my map - I thought MO was more north...



    When I was looking up rescues in the mid-west, I saw some in WI... you never know! maybe we'll end up there picking up our next Shiba! :-P

  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    The sad thing is I am pretty good with Geography! I am just programming so much right now my brain is mush.



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    Dave - I LOVE that movie! So freaking funny... and clever. "You like food and chicks too? Your blowing my mind!" <- LOL!

  • That line is hilarious! That's one of my favorite movies. I completely agree, its a rare combination of wit and comedy that really hits home with me. If I had contributed to the movie thread, it totally would have been on my list.
  • sujewelsujewel
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    Whew. Seriously late on this thread. It was just so long and I've such a crazed week. But, I wanted to wish Pam well on her move to Missouri! Also, maybe plant a little bug in your head. My ex's friend got fired from his job (failed a drug test....He was a COP. LMAO) and started a company called Wanna Go Out.



    It's kind of an adventure company...for dogs.  He takes dogs in packs hiking, swimming, running, playing while their owner is at work. Since you love dogs, I thought it might be something you could do and enjoy in MO. PS. He started this YEARS before Cesar was known as a dog walking company and it's just grown over the years. 

  • HarlowHarlow
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    Another late comer to this thread. I would never leave my dogs at a daycare that just let the dogs all play together. There are just too many variables with each dog's personality and reaction to situations. Also, so much interaction with strange dogs is tiring for the dogs. We had our fur guys in daycare at Club Pet at the Helen Woodward Animal Center. Each dog had an 8 X 10 foot stucco enclosure with metal bar doors inside and the whole building had sky lights, they were taken for walks and were also taken out to 10 X 50 foot outside enclosures. You could get additional playtime with a human if desired. They loved going were always eager to run in the doors every morning.
    Pam: Good luck with your move. I hope you like it in MO!!
  • RyuRyu
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    Thanks Barbara! Your friend's company sounds AWESOME! That would be an absolute dream for us. We're hoping to start out with an adventure company and then branch out to owning a summer camp for kids. A camp where they can learn about being self-sufficient, independent, etc. I'm going to have to look up that website when I get home though, the government computer is blocking it :-(



    Thanks for the well wishes as well Patty! We're going to be super stressed when we have to put Ryu on a plane so cross your fingers for us! :-) I can't wait to get back to the mainland - i feel like we're in another world over here haha

  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    I have to joke about the "another world" - I handle a fair amount of grass seed orders for our military here and abroad.  The last time that I had to ship to AK & HI, I had to provide import permits for CA to ship the seed.  I called and asked when did those states secede from the Union and I was told that both of those states were outside the country. 
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • That's hilarious LJ. HI definitely has the "outpost" feel to it so that one doesn't surprise me. I've never been to AK but I really want to go.
  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    I spent 10 glorious days in Alaska - without a doubt one of my favorite places to go (Valparaiso, Chile is 2nd).  I spent time in Anchorage, Willow, Denali National, Seward, Portage and in between.  We joked that you couldn't take a bad picture there because of the mountains in the distance.  We went in the summer and got to fish for salmon across from grizzlies, dry-sled with huskies, climb some glaciers (obviously pre-blown knees & weight gain) and a few rock faces, kayaked in Denali, and hike.
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • I have a friend who studied photography in college and has landed an amazing job with National Geographic. Every six months or so I get an email from her saying "Here's my new address in X" where X has been places like Teluride, CO, Denali Park, AK, and two places in Chile as well. I always respond with three words only: "I hate you ;-)".
  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    I understand completely - before I moved back home to take care of my parents, I went to some really cool places and I used to receive those emails.  I was on a quest to take in a baseball game in every major park - I only have a few left to go - my next goal will be doing more international travel.  I've been to all but 6 states in the US and I want to do those before I start trying to go to each continent.
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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Pam - an adventure company would be really cool! What kind of adventures? Hikes, driving, camping, white water, snow?
  • RyuRyu
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    Brad, we want it all! Hiking trails, rock climbing, mountain biking, ATV-riding, camping, skiing, snowmobiling, zip-lining, the works! :-) We'll have to narrow it down to 1-2 to start off with and then expand but we dream and talk about it daily - we have to pay our dues to the Army for now but one day... :)
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    I think that's a very cool idea - you guys will be able to use the survival skill you learned in the army too. Very neat! Sign us up for an adventure (as long as you allow dogs)! Smile
  • RyuRyu
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    Dogs will ALWAYS be welcome! :-) Ryu will be the model on our website... we just may end up being a client of yours someday! :P
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    lol - maybe we can do a trade then.  Wink
  • sujewelsujewel
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    I'm in too, Pam. Sounds pretty great
  • RyuRyu
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    We have found our daycare! :-) Ryu loved his first day and can you believe it - he met his first Shiba there today! A 1 yr old named Suzy and from what I hear they played very nicely together. So, a couple of things today that I thought were interesting. When a new dog is brought for evaluation, they take them to the "back yard" so they can eliminate outside. Then they bring them into the "resident dog" room where all of the employees' dogs are kept. They let the newbie get comfortable with the 5 or so dogs and then they bring that entire pack into the large playroom. So it's two packs meeting each other rather than the new guy being thrust into one large pack. I thought that was pretty neat. Then they take all of the dogs (in smaller groups) outside every 30 minutes for outside play time and elimination. When I came to pick him up, they said that he preferred to play with the "big dogs" so they kept him in that group (apparently the other Shiba prefers that group as well...) Ryu was only there for 4 hours today but he definitely passed out on the way home. It looks like he thoroughly enjoyed himself. AND to make things better, the staff and I agree on positive motivation practices and verbal corrections so I feel comfortable leaving him in their hands. They even took some pictures of his first day and printed them out for me ;-) I'm so happy!
  • That's GREAT Pam! I'm so happy for you! It sounds like a wonderful place. From your description, it sounds like they really care and really know what they're doing. I would lucky to find such a great place!
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    congrats! Sounds like a nice place.
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    That place sounds awesome. Love the idea of using their own dogs, who are always there, to help introduce the new guy. Shibas almost always prefer to play with bigger dogs, as they play very rough and tumble. Nemo never cared for dogs his size at the park, unless they also had long legs and could move. He did like to roll Corgi's like barrels....
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    The webcam does make them sound much more accountable, I'm glad you have a place so trustworthy of caring for Ryu so near to you!

    Brandon, lol! my shibas do the same thing to the cairns we play with a lot! Just leap over them or roll them!
    But it is true, they'd much rather play rough with the bigger dogs at the dog park.
  • RomiRomi
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    Thats great news Pam!!! Im glad you found a daycare that works for you! ...aren't you moving in a couple months :T ?
  • RyuRyu
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    I know!!! :-( We'll be moving at the end of the summer and then I'll have to go through all of this again when we get to MO. And even worse, the daycare is right by my job (which I'll be quitting in exactly 14 days) so it will be a little inconvenient to drive into town twice a week just for drop-off and pick-up once I'm no longer working. But I'm convinced that it will be worth it :-) I'm just so excited that he can play play play to his hearts desire!
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    I can see how that would be a pain [the driving into town], we went through a similar thing when we lived in ATL... but I think its worth it especially if you plan to add another Shiba... I mean it will be great to have Ryu so well socialized, he will probably just be stoked to have a new buddy.

    Daycare will also help reduce any destructive behaviors he could develop from boredom at home.

    You guys are doing great! I'm stoked you found such a great place for him!

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  • ayakoayako
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    i'm glad you were able to find someplace for Ryu. i'm guessing you went with ohana. i went to the pet expo and met with different dog care groups. one of them being ohana. the lady seemed very sincere and invited us to bring Aya. i think you made a great choice and it should be a fun and safe place for Ryu. maybe one day we'll take Aya.
  • RyuRyu
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    Thanks Derek! I really like it there and feel very comfortable with the staff. Ryu will be going tomorrow for a really looong day (11 hrs) so we'll see how he does. :-D
  • ayakoayako
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    how is Ryu doing at day care? have you seen any good or bad changes in behavoir? i went to the site today and there seems to be two shibas playing together.
  • RyuRyu
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    Ryu is doing awesome! Thanks for asking :-) He went twice last week (Tues & Thurs) for 12 hours each. Apparently, there is a regular Shiba on Thursdays named Suzy that Ryu is enamored with so he followed her around all day :-) I have to admit, he is sooooo well-behaved when we bring him home after a day at the daycare. He's less rambunctious and listens alot better. It truly is amazing how happy they are when they get their exercise. Even the weekend was relaxing as he just wanted to sleep and lounge around. I think he was really tuckered out. According to the staff, he is getting along great with the other dogs and couldn't be more social. That makes me very happy! He'll be going again this week on Tuesday and Thursday so he can get his "Suzy fix" :-)
  • Ryu's got a girlfriend, Ryu's got a girlfriend! :-)
  • okironokiron
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    Lol poor Ryu will be heartbroken when you guys leave for the mainland. Sneak her out too :P
  • ddowdemersddowdemers
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    Pam, it sounds like it is everything that you and Tim hoped for. That's just great!!
  • RyuRyu
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    Thanks! We're very happy :-)
  • Hi everyone,

    I thought I would reopen this thread and see what your experiences have been with daycare. Our little Midas is 5.5 months now. We started out crate training him, but it was getting hectic to go home at lunch every day and also having a dog walker come in the afternoon. I thought it was time to explore doggy daycare, we sent him a few random days and he seemed to love it. He was tired when we picked him up but not totally passed out. We decided to take the plunge, canceled our dog walker and enrolled him in the monthly program. Today was his second day and he is totally passed out from the moment he arrives home. The same thing happened yesterday evening, we pick him up and he is uber excited to see us, yelping with happiness, then we walk 20 minutes home (we live in NYC) which he is totally fine with but as soon as we get home he runs to his crate to sleep and then sleeps the entire night. This is less than ideal since I would love to play or cuddle with him a bit. I guess he may be getting overstimulated, but i'm hesistant to have them give him more breaks at daycare since it's only his first week......has anyone else experienced this? Before, when he was crated during the day he would have intense amounts of energy the whole evening, a happy medium would be great.
    Another issue is, he isn't eating in daycare either (including those random days he had gone), the past two days he has eaten right before we go to bed at 11pm and i dont have the heart to take his food away because he hasnt eaten most of the day. He usually has a great appetite, but nevers scarfs down his food when we put down his bowl, it usually takes him 30mins-1hr to eat. To further complicate things he is teething at full force these past 2 weeks, so that may be affecting everything too. I'm contemplating giving him soft food for the time being.....
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    @KingMidas -

    I'm going to give you my personal opinion and while others may have different opinions, please keep in mind that every dog and owner is unique so that is a huge factor.

    I brought Kira to daycare 1-2 days out the week up until she was 6 months old and we were very pleased with her activity level after those days because she was exhausted by the time we took her home. It was awesome, especially on the really busy days for us at work. So we loved the lack of energy in our household after she got home and passed out. Maybe only take him there every other day? Another cool thing that we have in our town is a company called Canine Adventure that comes to your house like a dog walker but instead of just a walk, they take them for an adventure - trip to the river, hiking, etc for a couple hours. The cost is the same as daycare. It's pretty damn cool.

    There were a few issues - Kira would not use the bathroom the entire time at daycare. She only used the bathroom when she got home in her spot in the backyard. No big deal, but kind of unnerving that she was so active and went so long holding it.

    I stopped taking her because she got fixed at 6 months old, almost exactly a year ago and by the time she healed, we were already overwhelmed with the Christmas madness at work so I just never took her back again to daycare. I also have an issue with not "really" getting to see the interactions that she has with other dogs, and the concern that as she got older she would become reactive. Essentially, I got very protective and decided that I was no longer comfortable letting her interact with other random dogs without me. That being said, you never know when something could happen, at dog daycare or anywhere else for that matter. I recommend that you not invest in a 3 or 6 month package in case anything comes up and you are out all that extra money.

    As for not finishing his food, it's a Shiba thing - if anything else is more interesting than their food sometimes goes on the back burner. I pick up Kira's bowl within 15-20 minutes if she doesn't finish it. Leaving the food out too long sometimes turns a picky dog into a free-feeder which is difficult to manage.

    I would also soften his food a bit with a little warm water while he is teething - they are such drama queens about it.
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  • BootzBootz
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    @KingMidas

    So..you basically jumped the gun after seeing the results of putting your shiba into daycare, but now you aren't liking daycare because he's TOO tired...

    I definitely think if you want a happy medium, look for something Kira_Kira suggested. It helps expose your puppy to new things and stimulate their senses instead of a daycare where they are familiar with all sights, smells and sounds.

    Don't switch to canned food if you can avoid it, it is too rich for some dogs, and will cause loose stools. Just soften the kibble with warm water and that should suffice.
  • Recently, I started bringing banjo (1 year 3 months) to day care on a weekend that I have things to do. Never for overnight.

    In my opinion, Midas is too young for day care. If when he gets home you can't interact with him as all he does is sleep, he is probably missing out on bonding and socializing at a critical age. I only daycare banjo when I need him to be zonked out for a whole day. (Banjo will return from daycare, sleep till morning and spend the whole next day sleeping until dinner time).

    I would suggest asking day care to make sure he has a midday nap or find an outdoor adventure place (it's tough in nyc) that brings him out with other dogs so he can socialize.

    Fwiw I work in Harlem and my boss has a sheltie who goes to a daycare she swears by. If you want I can get the info.
    Post edited by BanjoTheBetaDog at 2014-12-03 09:50:30
  • JuniJuni
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    I am curious if daycare facilities differ between Sweden and the US because here if you want to drop off a dog occationally only you'd have to go to a boarding facility. Most daycares will charge you for full time, 5 days a week whether you use it or not. And they prefer the dogs to come almost every day because they want the groups to be stable. The dogs should be at least 6 months old but do not have to be fixed to go to daycare.

    I have used two daycares and both have been very careful when introducing Juni to the dogs and tried to match her with a suitable group. Usually they have a small group of dogs in each room. In the rooms they are not meant to be too rowdy, it is for resting and usually consists of cushions, beds and old sofas, but a little bit of play is accepted. Then they go on two walks a day.

    In Juni's previous daycare the dogs were allowed to come out and play in the corridor if they wanted to for awhile in the morning and afternoon and it was also possible to stand in the entrance and watch them. I really enjoyed that since this was a group of dogs familiar to Juni she behaved so much different than with strange dogs in a dog park. She was a lot more relaxed, there was no need to snarky and she could be really playful. Even at her snarkiest age she was quite fine at daycare. Also because the staff was good at matching the dogs who were playing (some like Juni were tired and grumpy in the mornings but happy and playful after lunch, some didn't have matching play styles etc etc)

    In her current daycare there don't seem to be that much play opportunity indoors. But she eats every day and does her toilet business most days too, both of which she for some reason refused to do at the other place.
    It was only in the beginning that she was tired coming home, I guess from all new impressions.
    But if a daycare has different dogs most day and allow a lot of free play I can see how that would wipe them out. It sound like it could be quite stressful. Here the thinking is that the daycare is kind of a home away from home so they should relax and nap indoors as they would at home and get fed and walked at appropriate times.
  • Juni, yeah day care near me is basically a giant room where dogs play. The daycare I send banjo to has individual sleeping rooms for the dogs and they all get a 1 hour nap around noon (some get lunch and a nap). Otherwise they just go bonkers at each other for hours and hours.

    His first trip was a bit stressful for him as they told me he waited by the door alllll day for me to come back. Yet, when I took him on Sunday, he bolted in, didn't look back, and when i looked at the webcam, he was playing all day.

  • JuniJuni
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    Wow, it sounds a bit crazy. And stressful.

    At my daycare they even offered "teacher parents conference" recently!
    I was told Juni has become bolder and more sociable lately, trying out more sleeping spots in her room and coming up to the staff more for cuddles and belly rubs. Her favourite dogs are Chanel the Whippet (quite surprising as she hates the neighbour's Whippet) and Imre who is a Swedish terrier breed ( she usually likes dogs from that breed) and she dislikes a pushy pitbull and a young fox terrier who is too boisterous and need to be told off every now and then...
  • Thanks for the input! The daycare we bring Midas to has 3 different rooms, one for large dogs, one for small dogs and a 3rd for more active small dogs. One of the reasons I liked it was that each room is always staffed with 1-2 people mediating the interactions. When I watch Midas on the webcam he is constantly running around trying to play, he doesnt seem to have an off switch when he is there. They also have private kennels/crates which are separate for feeding and naps. For now we are going to experiment with having him there for less hours per day when we can manage it, if he is still wiped out when he gets home I'm going to have them give him more breaks/naps......we'll see
  • Oh man Juni that day care style sounds awesome... Calm rooms, quite time, naps.... Can I go?! Ha!

    I haven't found one that will take dogs that aren't fixed around me... All of them list it as a must. And I haven't found a dog walker that will even walk a dog in my area that isn't fixed. Gonna be difficult for that period between now and 1 year to figure out how to get home to walk nym. Though aren't most dogs not fixed in Europe?!

    Ober curious about this... What happens when a dog goes into heat with one of these daycares?! Do they separate them or can you not bring them during that time?!
  • JuniJuni
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    Most dogs aren't fixed here as you wrote. At my previous one they didn't allow the females there when they were in heat. Luckily I'm allowed to bring Juni to work when I need to. The one we go to now I'm not sure of, Juni's group is a group of medium sized non fixed females (apart from Juni who is spayed) so they may allow it. I know some daycares just let the females in heat have a room to themselves. Some daycares don't allow non fixed males so that would solve problem too.
    (And by the way, the Swedish kennel club, SKK, strongly objects to spay and neuter unless of a medical problem. They are worried that the breeding base of many breeds will diminish and that people use it as a quick fix to solve behaviour problems.)

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