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Loose Leash Walking 2 dogs
  • RomiRomi
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    So Portia can loose leash walk fine, she was always good even when she was a puppy.  Ninja on the other hand is a puller!  He pulls and pulls.  I have a hard time trying to correct him when I am walking both dogs.  It seems as though Ninja always wants to be in front of Portia and they fight to be in front of eachother.  It doesn't help that they BOTH have to walk on my RIGHT.  They will not walk on my LEFT.  



    So for all the multiple dog owners out there, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated Laughing



     



    P.S



    Ninja isn't pulling super hard, but he is always in front of me, which makes Portia go in front of me, so they are both in front of me when we walk and that's not good for the "pack leader" to be the follower right?


  • Moto won't walk by my side for anything. That is with an easy walk harness. He won't pull. But he needs to be on watch. I have talked to trainers. We have worked with him over and over again. Piglet stays right by my side.



    I am interested to hear if anyone has a suggestion I haven't tried. 

  • kwyldkwyld
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    The only thing that keeps Kohji from pulling is a Gentle Leader, otherwise he's a mad man! 
    Post edited by kwyld at 2008-02-18 09:40:01
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    I used to try and keep Nemo by my side, but he doesn't like to.  So instead he walks in front of me (and sometimes behind, and on the right or left), but luckily he does not pull. 



    Ninja is still young, I'd suggest the Gentle Leader harness, or possibly the head one if he will tolerate it.

  • sujewelsujewel
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    I walk one dog on each side with a prong collar. However, now that Mika is older, I've started to use the gentle leader and that is working much better than the prong.



    When Mika was a adolescent, we tried the gentle leader, but she walked from side to side (A.D.D Dog) instead of forward. The side to side action was too difficult to control with the gentle leader.



    With either collar they are usually at my side. Tho, at times, they fall behind because of their attempts to get rid of the gentle leader.


  • I trained Lucy to not walk in front of me with a combination of a few things. She gets it completely now and I don't even hold her leash anymore, I just tie it around my waist. This approach usually works when we have another dog visiting as well. I start off with both dogs on their normal leash and collar. I give leash corrections whenever they get in front of me. Generally, they start ignoring those corrections pretty quickly, so I go to step two wich almost always works immediately. Whenever they get in front of me I use the outside of my foot to touch their rump. If your dogs are anything like Lucy and her friends, they won't much like being touched near their rear and will jump to the side to avoid being touched again. Just as they jump to the side, I give a gentle tug on the leash to bring them back into position next to me. Nine times out of ten that will work after the second or third try and they'll stop tugging (at least for a while). If they continue to ignore the butt tap, then I will take the loop end of the leash and make a mini choke collar out of it. Note, I keep the clip end of the leash attached to the collar as well. I put the loop at the very top of their neck. If they respond well to that, I'll slowly start moving more of the slack from the clip end to the choke end. After a few minutes its as if I'm just walking them with the normal leash and collar again.



    I hope this helps! 


  • I haven't tried the butt thing.



    I had Moto going pretty well for a while, but when we got Piglet Jason took the small dog. And while he is amazing at so many things. Discipline is not his strong suit. We call it gentle giant syndrome. He is so aware of his big-ness that he is afraid of scaring him. I'm the big meanie who makes the dogs sit before they get to do anything.



    We'll have to try a bit of butt tapping see if that gets the little man in line. 

  • grandemugrandemu
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    This is what our puppy class trainer (and a book, I'm sure this trainer must have learned from...can't remember the name) This method requires a lot of buildup before you actually get anywhere on a walk...depending on the dog, you might not leave the sidewalk in front of your house. But, it can work. So, you walk with your dog on a slightly loose leash, with their head/shoulder at your knee. When the dog starts to go ahead, abruptly turn and head in the other direction - don't give any indication that you're going to do so. The dogs will get a slight jerk on the leash, and then have to follow you. When they catch up, if they go ahead of where you want them to be, do the 180. It confuses the dog a little bit - this isn't an expected behavior for their human. As long as the dog continues to keep a loose leash, continue walking. As soon as it pulls, turn and go in another direction.
  • I've seen that technique. Forgot about it. It honestly sounds like fun.
  • Oh yeah, I forgot about the turn technique. I tried that one too, but *I* didn't have the patience for it. I like getting the exercise just as much as I like giving it to Lucy so I lost interest in spending 20 minutes leaving my block after a few days of trying it. I have heard it works best for dogs that pull aggressively though. In Lucy's case, she wasn't jumping after something, she was just trying to walk faster than I was capable of.
  • Both my girls pull like hell and it sucks!  We got the canny collar and it works awesome but now now Niko HATES going for walks.  She runs away when we ask.
  • hondruhondru
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    I tried the turning technique on Tojo and I just ended up going in circles until he got bored and just sat down and wouldn't walk anymore. I gave up on trying to get him to walk at my side, although I did make a nylon slip collar which kept him from pulling. He doesn't pull anymore and that's what was annoying me. For the short period where I lived in my apartment and had two dogs (Tojo and Loki) I didn't do anything special other than not letting either of them pull on the leash. They didn't stay in my kind of formation, but they managed not to get tangled very often. Now I mostly walk them off-leash (or with just Rakka on leash, depending on the whereabouts of a certain llama). Anyway, sorry, I'm not much help.  



    That butt trick sounds pretty good... maybe I'll try that.

    -Heidi, with Rakka (shikoku) and Sosuke (kai ken)
    Post edited by hondru at 2008-02-18 15:02:03
  • RomiRomi
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    My trainer told me to stop when they start pulling and then when they stop, say "ok" and continue walking.  I tried that but we were stopping like every 5 steps and our walks didn't really seem like walks, more like sit and go.   Ill have to try the butt thing too.  Sounds interesting! haha.  Ill probably have to invest in a gentle leader harness.  Right now Portia and Ninja just have Nylon Neck Collars.  I tried putting a harness on Portia when she was a pup and she would not move with it on! 



     

  • EdgewoodEdgewood
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    I do the same as Dave. And I did find that the butt touch works. I find that my Shikoku is much easier to train to heel at you side than my 3 Siberians (who are bred to want to pull). But being that I walked all 3 Sibes at the same time (just me) they had to learn how to heel with 2 on my left and 1 on my right. I did the butt touch and did use a choke collar as reminders to stay with me and not ahead of me.

  • Wow, I didn't realize the butt touch wasn't that popular. I have to warn you, the butt touch works well after some practice. Lucy picked it up to the point where I don't have to remind her very often, but it took her a few weeks/months to get to that point. When we first started, I had to do the butt touch two or three times on two or three separate occasions on our longer walks. Also, it takes a little practice on your part to keep your balance and keep moving forward when you do it. Lucy got to a point where she could detect my weight shift and would jump out of the way before I could touch her butt. Of course that has the desired effect anyway!



    Keep us posted on how it goes, I'll be curious to see if it works for others. 


  • Don't let MommyofNiko convince you all that she walks the dogs.  She should be saying when The Chad walks the dogs, Niko doesn't like the canny collar.  Also when The Chad walks the dogs they pull, but not as much when they wear the Canny Collar.  What's funny is Niko is so distracted when she walks wearing the collar she lifts her front paws up towards her nose to remove the collar everytime she steps. I also have to give her credit the last time we walked with the Collar's.  We were half way through our voyage when she became very interested in someones bushes by their mailbox.  Me in all thinking to let her be and investigate the area, I came to the conclusion it was a sabotage.  Yell She starts diving her head into the bushes and tries to use them to remove the collar from her snout.  Jokes on me...  Embarassed 



    1 point Niko; Chad points 0

  • So you all can catch up with my thinking, I will be keeping a score of when one outsmarts the other.  Game On...
  • Everybody....meet our new nerd!
  • Very nice Chad. I'm glad you joined us! I'll be paying close attention to that score. Anyone want to place a bet? I'm thinking its going to be pretty one sided in Niko's favor. Wink
  • RomiRomi
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    Lol dave im down for that...I think I will start a poll on this thread lol!
  • RomiRomi
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    ***POLL HAS BEEN ADDED***

  • Romi - our trainer taught us the same quick turns in a different direction to correct pulling. It's very tedious...and you will have to correct ninja every 30 seconds or so at first. And if he doesn't respond to the nylon collar...you will need to get a harness or something that he will respond to. Otherwise, it won't work. Our trainer also told us that until Kiba can walk straight without pulling, that we should walk shinobi and kiba separately. It's harder with 2 dogs b/c there is more distraction. It's prolly really difficult to walk both dogs by yourself when they are pulling. So maybe you should try separating them so that ninja knows he is being corrected. Or for a while, walk with john so each of you have one dog.



    i feel you on the walking though...it's hard...and takes a lot of patience and weird turning...



    Dave - thanks for the tip on the butt touch technique though...i'm gonna try that today!



    good luck!

    Post edited by shandrew at 2008-02-18 19:44:47
  • OMG Romi Again im crying...I just saw the poll.  Chad is losing!!!!
  • RomiRomi
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    LOL Rachael...I think you're the only one who voted for him HAHAHA!  Sorry Chad....I've heard stories of Niko, and you just logged in today so.....
  • Oh dont get confused...I was NOT the one who voted for him....he voted for himself and prob the only one.  I have much more faith in the Niko!Surprised
  • RomiRomi
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    LOL, chad i think your in trouble when your woman doesn't even vote for you!  Niko - 6, Chad - 1 lol...86% to 14%!!


  • Oh come on DAVE and BRAD, I thought I would have gotten your support.Cry

  • Sorry Chad, nothing personal. We're boys and all. Its just I gotta pick the winning horse. Wink
  • RomiRomi
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    LOL, Niko - 9 Chad - 1 hahahaha
  • sujewelsujewel
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    So this poll proves that men don't even believe they're smarter than dogs? Too funny.

  • Im loving this and am going to use this for ammunition the rest of our lives!!!



    Can we count past Niko triumphs?  

  • Absolutely Not!
  • Wow 10 to 1.  Thanks for the support people.  Frown
  • Dude, the score is 2-0 already. Give us something to work with. Tongue out
  • RomiRomi
    Posts: 2722
    So when we were at training last night at petsmart, I was looking at the leashes and collars, I saw the Gentle Leader...But what size should I get?  It just said Petite, Small, Medium, Large.  So if any of you guys have one that you use for your shiba, what size did you get?  I think Ninja is around 20 lbs now.

  • Ninja is HUGE and not done growing!!!!!!!!!!



    Chad you were screwed when you put a deposit on a shiba! 

  • RomiRomi
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    LOL, I knew it...I am going to have the world's smallest boxer and the worlds largest Shiba!  Hahaha, actually, I think that 60 lb. Shiba is the biggest.  20 lbs @ 6 months, is that heavy?  Well im not sure if that his exact weight, but a few weeks ago he was 18 lbs.  And he has been averaging 1 lb per week.  But we'll find out on friday when he gets his balls chopped off Sealed
  • EdgewoodEdgewood
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    Well for comparison, my Shikoku is 5 months old (and 1 week) and 25 lbs. So I would say that Ninja is a pretty large Shiba (but too cute!)
  • sujewelsujewel
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    Romi, how big is your boxer?
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    Ninja would probably need a S/M at this time.  Open one up the store and try it on him.
  • RomiRomi
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     Barbara - My boxer is 35 lbs @ 16 months.



     

  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Small breeds, like the Shiba, grow very fast at first then slow down so, Ninja is probably slowing down now that he is around 6 months - but Maui and Kaia both kept growing, very slowly, till around 12 months to 16 months.



    A male Shiba can be up to 24 1/4 pounds (the preferred weight of a male Shiba is 23lb) and still be considered within the breed standard - So Ninja may not go to far past the standard, I would not worry to much. Also, keep in mind that most of the Shibas on this forum are rather small.

  • sujewelsujewel
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    Wow, Portia is a teeny boxer. That's a minimum of 20lbs under standard! I was looking through the gallery and Portia just doesn't seem that small.
  • HarlowHarlow
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    I like my two dogs to walk in front of me on a loose leash. This way I can keep track of them. I will use the Easy Walk harness if my younger dog gets excited and starts to pull.

  • I don't allow my dogs to walk in front of me. They are to walk at my side; slightly behind is okay, but no lagging. Since Kei is still a pup, he is learning so I'm a bit more relaxed with him, he is kind all over the place at times, lol. Lynx knows better, so I have to "pop" her every now and then as a little reminder of who is leading on the walk - and that is always me. Occasionally, I will allow them ahead of me, especially for climbs up or down hills...but it is not for very long.



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    Note: I have them on loose lead. Lynx has transfered from the pinch (she's a major puller) to the fur saver now. And Kei is still on the harness for walks; it's easier to control him. Also because the collar is too easy for him to slip out from.

    - Corina A. Gonzalez | Lynxiene (Belgian Malinois), Shoushuu, Kotomi & Shuran (Shikoku Ken). | Along with a Clan of cats!
    Post edited by ShikokuSpirit at 2008-02-22 04:22:22
  • HarlowHarlow
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    Having my dogs in front of me on a loose lead came from walking 2 Malamutes at the same time. I didn't want to have them knock me off my feet if they saw something interesting. So if I had them in front of me I could read their body language and be forewarned!
  • Note: Chad is REALLY losing!  He is out of town right now but we will have more Niko and daddy stories next week.
  • Rachael, you should start a thread for the Niko vs. Chad stories. That way we'll have a coherent history.
  • Very good idea.  The humor that I live everyday to share with all!  BTW Niko may not still be alive by the time Chad gets home.  Just went up front and she is shredding the carpet!!!!!!!!!!  It was not well installed but that is NOT like her at all!!!!!
  • I got a better idea, a thread of how many times Chad outsmarts Rachael.

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