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  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    We are taking Loa and Kona to the vet today, in about 30 minutes - a new vet (didn't like our other vet).



    Any idea or suggestions on what I should ask in order to best gauge the vet's abilities and general vetness?



     

  • okironokiron
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    My basic rule is, I want to be taught at least one new thing before I leave. I want a vet visit to be a learning experience. If I didn't learn anything, I had a bad experience. I like vets who make sure the owners are learning as they care for their animals. Vets who explain what they are doing and why they are doing it, every step of the way. If it's a shot, to be explained what's in the shot, where it'll be placed and the average reaction will be from the animal. I've had a couple vets like that and loved all of them. I would trust them with my animals.
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Thanx - that's the type of input I was looking for... I agree 100%!

  • I agree with that 100% as well. I've also looked for how the vet interacts with the dogs. Do they treat them like an object they are being paid to work on or do they react to their personality. Lucy loves to get up on her hind legs and wave both her front paws when new people (or people she hasn't seen for a while) enter the room. I look for her vet to react positively to that and to show her attention. I also look for the vet to be interested in the whole picture. Do you they ask you about your daily routine with the dog. Do they listen when you volunteer information. Do they wait for you to say everything you want to say in response to a question or cut you off when they have heard what they want to hear. Do they explain why they ask certain questions.



    I also look at the staff as well. IMO, the staff is a reflection of the vets. Do the tech's make an attempt to comfort the dog or just restrain them. Do they react positively to them. etc. Many of the same questions apply.



    Good luck! I've been through the vet search and I know how frustrating it can be.


  • Wow,



    Vets or Doctors it is amazing that half of us are still alive.  Doesn't it seem that they are learning as they go and fumbling through it all.  Ideally, I think that we should ask stupid questions and if you are not "dismissed or discredited" then you found a keeper. 



    Myself, when Woodie was still with me, I found my latest vet because she was a "Mobile Vet".  Just the thought that a vet would come to my home, see my environment, and sit in my living room to discuss animal care sold me right off the bat; but when I explained that I stopped giving my dog rabies shots after 8 years of age because of health concerns she agreed with me and still offered to give him his care over the remainder of his time with me (he was 16 at the time, and lived another two years).  We also discussed that if he was 16 and tested negative to heartworm, how silly it would be to continue because if he caught heartworm it would take up to three year to cause him harm; by then he would be near 20 and what would those chances be especially since he was indoors watching tv most of the time.  She consistently agreed with my odd thoughts and even though she had no experience with livestock (chickens), that she would work with me with what ever avenue I would like to approach.  A plus side to my vet is that she has a website with links to any question imaginable so that I can research and read on information that I need help on.  I adore her.  I wish she could be my doctor. 



     I think asking questions that are pertinent to your breed might enable you to filter your concerns.  Like grain-free diets.  If the vet lumps all dogs as one profile, turn and run like hell, or challenge the vet and see if they weigh your insights and knowledge.  You just might figure out you have the biggest ally and support in your beliefs.  After all, you need to question the box, alway think outside of it as there are many avenues and so few certainties in this world of ours. 



     Goodluck, Let us know how it went, Huggs Ron

  • Allthough i have no input to give, I want to thank everyone for theirs. It will be very helpful for the times that are approaching.

  • I might be late on this one...



    But i totally agree with everyone on that your vet should be very willing to explain everything that they are doing for the dog. I do think; however, it's important to ask a lot of "why" questions as well and see how he/she responds. I don't think that a good vet would be dismissive of any question since we see them as the experts. We trusted our old vet to the point that when Shinobi had to undergo certain things, we just said ok and didn't ask why enough. And i hate to be pessimistic, but a lot of ppl are out there just to make an extra buck at other ppl's expense. On the flip side, if you are constantly asking why, maybe that would be a red flag too, since your vet should be able to explain everything upfront.



    One thing that i thought was really cool with our new vet was that he looked up the Shikoku breed when we brough Kiba in - showed that he wanted to do a little research about this breed that he was unfamiliar with rather than just do the basics.



    Definitely go with your gut feeling just about the dr. I think if you have to "shop" around, then do it.



    Hope it goes/went well!!


  • I agree with all of the above. I also want to see that the vet AND their staff are happy to see my animals.



    When Piggy got spayed, I called to check and I got "What Piggy? Oh nope...no Piggy here, guess you don't have to pick her up (wink wink)" They would steal my dogs  if let them.



    That means a lot to me that they love my babies. 

  • okironokiron
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    How was the vet visit Brad?
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    Not so much about what vets ask, but I watch how the vet actually approaches my dog.  One vet walked in and tried to pet Nemo on the top of the head the first time he met him and it was "Bye Bye" to that vet.  You don't walk up to a strange dog who is OBVIOUSLY very nervous (he was shaking) and pet it on top of the head. 



    Vets that come in and talk to me first, and ask how they should approach Nemo, or vets that whip out a box of treats and start handing him treats, those vets I like.  To me it signals that they know something about dogs, outside of how give it a shot.  That type of thing is big to me.



    I still have not met "THE" vet that I will go to forever.  I've met some good ones, very nice and capable, but none of them have been great.  They haven't made me say "This, this is a vet!"



     

  • okironokiron
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    Aww I'm sorry. Do you have a lot of vets to go through around you? That's the one good thing about the OC...I have tons to go through if I don't like one. Thank god I love my emergency vet who works the graveyard shift.
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    Yes there are a lot of vets here.  The best vet I have ever delt with was an emergency vet who took care of our cat Homer when he had a bad UTI.  He was fully blocked and they nursed him through it for 36 hours.  If he wasn't the emergency vet ($$) I'd try and go to  him all the time.

  • On the treat side of that, I like the vets who ask me first before they give my dog treats. They have milkbones at one of my vets, and they know to not give Moto or Piggy the cookies, since I keep them grain free. My other vet (I have two so I can always hedge my bets, and get a second opinion if necessary) just does dried turkey liver. I guess she has enough grain free clients that she had to switch.
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Thank you all so much for the input - I was able to pull this thread up on my phone at the vet to make sure I was not missing anything - you guys are so helpful - thanx so much!



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    This vet visit went well! The pups where a bit more nervous than in the past, but I really think that is due more to that fact that they see less traffic and people living out here on the Mesa.



    The new vet was more in-line with what we where looking for, they where a small practice but still run like a business - which is important to us (a very small practice may tend to cut corners - a large practice doesn't care as much -  a medium size is just right).



    Our new vet approached the dogs with more excitement and interest, I would not say she was particularly interested in our breeds of dogs, but she did find them interesting w/o the breed knowledge. She was gentle and did teach us a thing or two. She explained everything and asked us if we had questions - she also checked all the vitals of the pups. That may be something you would expect, but our last vet in Taos didn't even get a weight on the dogs when we brought them in - kinda odd.



    Most importantly, she past the BIG test - she cut Ahi's nails w/o loosing any digits! (that's an exaggeration - Ahi doesn't bite)... She was able to take Loa and Ahi both to the back and cut their nails w/ no issues or screams - anyone that owns a Shikoku knows that is the real test.



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    So thanks everyone for the help! Things went well, and we are much happier with the new vet.

  • That is AWESOME!!!
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    "On the treat side of that, I like the vets who ask me first before they give my dog treats. They have milkbones at one of my vets, and they know to not give Moto or Piggy the cookies, since I keep them grain free. My other vet (I have two so I can always hedge my bets, and get a second opinion if necessary) just does dried turkey liver. I guess she has enough grain free clients that she had to switch."



    I guess I just appreciate the gesture/effort of knowing the proper way to approach a dog.  I'm not as restrictive as you are, as for what goes into Nemo.  I figure crappy treats are just like having some junk food, as long as it's in moderation, it's fine.



     



    Brad - Glad to hear your trip to the vet was a good one.

    Post edited by brandon_w at 2008-02-06 14:27:52

  • "I figure crappy treats are just like having some junk food, as long as it's in moderation, it's fine."



    Keep in mind what a freaking goody two shoes I am. We don't drink, smoke, or eat junkfood, and then of course there is that whole vegan thing. Mom and Dad don't do junk food, neither do pups.



    But I get what you're saying, and the gesture is always appreciated. 

  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    Nemo and I share the fact that our favorite snacks revolve around pork or beef fat.  He goes nuts when I pull out a pack of beef sticks and he only gets one bite out of probably every 5 or more of them that I eat, but he doesn't seem to forget that bite.  However I've started stocking more dried fruits and peanuts as snacks, well because they don't clog arteries as much.  Nemo likes honey roasted peanuts, he's all over things I drop way before I can grab them.


  • Awesome that you feel good about your new vet.  I perhaps may have been singing a sweet tune too quickly LOL....I too just came in from the vets. 



     My Shiba, Rudi, is now 14 weeks and although he had been treated for worms as a 9 week old and then again as a 12 week old, I found more worms in his stool.  Turns out to be tapeworm versus round this time.  Uggh.



     At any rate, my vet scolded me for not having him in more control; I guess he was a bit more fidgety and would not sit still enough for her.  She pulled his lips up to see his gums and he pulled back and I got scolded again.  She tried to make him stop moving but he was like a little slinky LOL, so I got scolded again.  She flipped when I described how he will scatter like crackers when he suspects me at coming for him with the leash, I got scolded once more. 



    Wow, to be a bad parent, I even got scolded for my choice of food because she feels if it is not something she is familiar with it has no value.  I will send her a weblink later today. 



    I still love my vet, she just did not want to hear how I felt that he was on track with his breed.  He hasn't even chewed a hole in a sock yet or marred my furniture.  Now that would be an issue in my eyes.  Oh well, in time I will take my scolding and take my wonderful little boy home to be happy. 



     Touche' for Great Spirit in making me out to be such a bad parent of a squigly little slinky monster LOL.  My next appointment is in 30 days I better get a slightly less lecturing.  <smile>



     Huggs, Ron


  • Your vet sounds like she needs a vallium or at least to read up on shiba inus.



    I would suggest that if she is so inappropriate and judgmental with you that you send her to this site and point out that she CLEARLY needs to educate herself on shibas. Or perhaps work on her approach with dogs.



    Plenty of wonderful dogs don't like people messing with their mouthes, and she is young of course she is squirmy.



    And shibas love to play games. Moto runs when we grab his leash. He will do anything to get us to chase him (we don't) but her sure as hell tries.



    For some reason it makes me really mad that your vet would speak to you like that!



    ARGH!!! 

  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Do you feed your dog raw pork?

  • Yeah,



    Well some just love lumping the entire dogworld as one. 



    No, I have not fed any raw meat except once with some small beef shavings; my vet thinks that the tapeworm was there since Tennessee before he came to me.  There is also the chance that there could have been a field mouse out in my garden that he found without me noticing, but the vet feels the time frame is too short to have been hit with so many tapeworm.  I am just happy to be addressing this once and for all. 



    I will keep my chin up and most definitely I mentioned this forum, I am so happy to have found all of you. 



    Thanks, Ron and Rudi

  • hondruhondru
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    I went to a vet once who kept telling Tojo "Bad dog!" when he would scream from getting his shots and after that, Tojo just screamed the whole time until we left the building.  I thought the vet just should've given the shots and not acted like it was a big deal when Tojo screamed.  Seriously, that's exactly what Tojo wants, a reaction.  I have yet to settle on a vet, though.  I don't think I've been to the same one twice yet.
    -Heidi, with Rakka (shikoku) and Sosuke (kai ken)
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    I've probably fed Nemo chunks of raw pork in the past.  I'll toss him raw chicken and raw beef more often though.
  • I still cant comprehend raw.  I am such a freak when it comes to raw meat and cook it beyond well done...
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    Rachael - you are missing out... a rare steak is so good.



    Heidi - you should have screamed too! That's kinda rude of that vet.



    Brandon - I am kinda on the fence about raw pork... you read some many different things. We have always avoided it tho.



    Ron - I'm sure its a load off you mind to finally know what the issue is... poor Rubi.

  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    *steps on to food snob soap box*  Rachel if you cook a steak beyond medium, you might as well just not eat steak.  *steps off food snob soap box*



     

  • Hahaha. Thanks for saying something Brandon. Someone had to.
  • okironokiron
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    I prefer mine medium rare :D
  • I'm vegan, but even I know if you don't see pink the steak may as well be jerky.Tongue out
  • EvanEvan
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    hey, nothing wrong with jerky!
  • There is if it was a steak dinner once
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    That reminds me of something - I went to a Brazilian steak house with work once, it was pretty lame, real cheap version.



    We where sitting there being served the different "cuts of meat" and it was like sausage, and chicken, and sirloin steak... just pretty cheap stuff...



    Anyway, my friend leaned over to me and whispered "Twenty bucks says they come up next and offer us Beef Jerky" - like 30 seconds after that the Gaucho walked up and offered us "Sun-dried Steak"! lol! What a cheap place!

  • okironokiron
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    I really want some deer jerky now...well, deer meat in general sounds really good right now.
  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    oh man - I love deer Jerky! I had a good friend in high school that always hunted and would make deer jerky and bring it to class. We spent every class sitting in the back of the room eating deer jerky - it was great!

  • I've never had venison jerky before, but I've heard its great.



    Speaking of venison though, Lucy eats a venison formula diet. When she first started it, we were on a walk around the neighborhood and I stopped to chat with the group of guys that drinks beer around the fire pit a couple times a week. They were all enjoying Lucy so I started telling them about all her problems and the new food she was on. They got really excited about it and I couldn't figure out why. Then, one of them asked to come over for a bowl of venison. I almost fell on the ground laughing. When I informed him that it was processed in kibble and canned form, he turned bright red. 

  • BradA1878BradA1878
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    that's funny - did you try the stew anyway?
  • lol. No, we did not. Although I must say that the canned stuff smells pretty good. I'm not sure how I feel about that. Undecided

  • OK im a little late to the scolding, comcast sux a$$ and turned off our internet because they lost our dvr box from 13 months ago...another story.



    I guess I should clarify...I dont eat steak for that very reason.  By the time it is done cooking for me my jaw would break.  Chad loves his red meats and has requested that my boss start cooking for him because they eat fillet mingon (sp?) all the time and barely cooked steak.  She is on bed rest and asked me to cook her steak...I informed her she needed to keep a CLOSE eye on me.  I dont keep my man happy when it comes to steak...I also dont eat pork.  Maybe I should start getting tips from Jessica...I might as well be vegetarian... 



    Chad loves buffalo also...I cant get myself to eat or try it.



    Have I mention im "special"? 

  • okironokiron
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    Ooo buffalo is good too. Some buffalo stew on a cold day...gah I'm hungry now :(
  • hondruhondru
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    I live in the land of steak.  Alberta beef is where it's at!  Some folks from church brought us some food since I'm less mobile nowadays, including two sirloin steaks from cows they raised themselves, free range, no nasty chemicals, just all-natural good steak.  Holy crap, that was good.  I would have been a sin to cook those past medium!  
    -Heidi, with Rakka (shikoku) and Sosuke (kai ken)
  • RomiRomi
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    MmMmmm....I want steak now!  My friend from Washington makes the BEST steak ever!  I dont' know how he does it but it just melts in your mouth with a burst of flavor.  "its like an orgasm in my mouth" (TEST -does anyone know what show thats from?). 

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