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flea and tick control
  • EdgewoodEdgewood
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  • wow so if those are harmful to our doggy's what are we supposed to do to prevent our pups from becoming infested with fleas?
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
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    Thanks Kris!
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    Posts: 6468
    huh, thats interesting! Thanks for posting!
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    Joe/Dawn - Dr. Pitcairn's book, http://www.drpitcairn.com/books/pitcairn_book.html, covers a lot in non-toxic preventions and treatments for all types of parasites. Maybe you want to look into finding that book? I found it at a local health foods store for $10! Great deal!
  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    Just heard about this:

    The Shoo!Tag

    http://www.thesafepetshop.com/


    I'm skeptical to say the least.
  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    I know - the store that I get the Himalayan Chews from just started carrying this.
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • brandon_wbrandon_w
    Posts: 3433
    I think if I were interested, I would try one on myself first to see if it can actually keep mosquito's away, before I risked Nemo to fleas and ticks.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
    Posts: 1872
    there isn't much info on that website that is for sure!
  • ljowen123ljowen123
    Posts: 3105
    A little bit more info is found here:
    http://www.shootag.com/
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • obukobuk
    Posts: 144
    Mochi started itching a lot after putting Advantix on him. I washed it off right away. He does ok on Frontline. I normally put tea tree oil on him (and myself sometimes). I'm thinking about getting that book, Jen. My mom is a vet but unfortunately she lives in Europe. She is very much into Alternative medicine/Homeopathy, etc. I hate all that commercial anti flea/tick stuff but we hike a lot so I have to put something on Mochi. What do you put on your dogs?
  • okironokiron
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    I plan on getting the book as well. $7.50 used at barnesandnoble.com if anyone is interested.
  • JessicaRabbitJessicaRabbit
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    I started using rose geranium oil diluted with jojoba on the girls collars about a week ago and *knocking on wood* haven't had a tick since. Prior to that I had found about half a dozen.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    That is exactly the mixture I use, Jess. For myself I add lavender oil as geranium is STRONG!
    I've also given my "tick magnet" aka Kitsune a tablet of brewer's yeast/garlic (by Castor&Pollux) daily. Tsuki gets one every other day if I remember. She's not had one bug yet.

    We tried eucalyptus and that was stinky oh my gosh stinky! And we tried lemon juice which calls all bugs for miles..
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    oh. i got the mixture idea from Dr. Pitcairn (garlic/brewers yeast)
    and http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Herbal-Handbook-Dog-Cat/dp/0571161154/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
    for geraniums
  • obukobuk
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    I was talking to my husband about the geranium/jojoba oil mix and even price wise it's worth it! Frontline and the like can get really expensive. Although I must admit I don't put that on every single month as it is pretty toxic. I do check Mochi for ticks and fleas. Now I'm seriously thinking about buying the two oils mentioned to create the same mixture. Lavender oil sounds good too. I will have to look into brewer's yeast/garlic tablets. Thanks for the advice!
  • asiaasia
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    Just curious, where do you guys buy your oils from? Is it on online place or health food store?
  • obukobuk
    Posts: 144
    Good question, Amber! I too would be interested in that answer ;)
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    Wow... I wrote that after a few mojitos with no typos!

    Some caution: brewers yeast in excess may increase the chance in yeast infection (growth). Garlic in excess can cause anemia. Do not exceed the suggested daily dose per pound on the tablet label. I give 1/2 the suggested dose to be safe.

    The Oils: There is a 'recipe' you can try first as the geranium is strong (not as strong as eucalyptus though!) for both you and your dog:
    - Geranium Essential Oil + Lavender Essential Oil + Peppermint Essential Oil + Lemongrass Essential Oil. Mix a few drops of each to a carrier (water or jojoba oil) and spray on dog's coat evenly [and spray on your clothing].

    I buy the Aura Cacia oils (100% pure, sometimes organic) from my local health food store.
  • asiaasia
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    Thanks!
  • obukobuk
    Posts: 144
    Will look into it. Thank you!
  • sunyatasunyata
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    Jen, with the oils, how often do you spray the dogs? Every time you go out, every week? I am very much interested in using something other than Frontline. And I am not sure how they would handle the brewer's yeast/garlic.
    Bella 2Mountains 2Nola 2
    Casey, with Bella and Nola, hanging out in the mountains of Virginia.
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  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    I only spray them before we go somewhere where the threat of ticks is high, like the state parks or through a field. So, not every day but a few times a week when its needed.
  • obukobuk
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    I finally ordered that book and some jojoba oil too! :D
  • CaliaCalia
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    Instead of opening a new thread, figure I'd post in this one.

    Tis the season for fleas, and it's worse for Tikaani than Tetsu. Constant scratching and chewing, and now he's starting to form some small scabs and thin spots on his rump. Have given them both Frontline Plus, but it doesn't usually come into effect until second dose.

    Now with this in his system, I'm a bit uneasy putting more poisons and pesticides (such as flea killer shampoo sold at Petco) in his system and was wondering if there is a more holistic or safer approach to help assist the Frontlines killing capability. And does the repellent oils mentioned above work just for ticks or both fleas and ticks?

    Or do you think it's not that big a deal if I bathe him with regular flea shampoo?
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    Post edited by Calia at 2009-07-02 18:09:54
  • ljowen123ljowen123
    Posts: 3105
    maybe the shoo pendant?
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • CaliaCalia
    Posts: 3664
    shoo pendant?
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  • i think he means the shootag above..it looks like it's some sort of a radio frequency type pendant....while frontline is working perhaps just try to pull off as much as you can and avoid shrubbery (sorry bad spelling)? *shrugs* this info with the EPA is new to me, but not unexpected, as my old dog had a pretty bad reaction and Shao New is getting better wtih Frontline...
    Post edited by CreamyShibaMom at 2009-07-02 18:18:37
  • tjbart17tjbart17
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    My mom does Skin So Soft from Avon. Now it is perfumey, but it works and none of her animals have had any reaction to it. A vet like 20 years ago taught her that.
  • ljowen123ljowen123
    Posts: 3105
    the key on skin so soft is to cut it with water - 1:1 ratio
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    That sounds like a pretty bad flea reaction...Frontline works very quickly to kill any fleas that bite the dog, but it isn't going to directly do anything for a heavy flea infestation in your house or yard. You may need to treat the bedding, the carpet, the yard, etc. It usually takes at least 2 applications of topicals (about 60 days) to sort of starve the fleas out. If the dog is really afflicted from the flea bites it sustained before treatment, you may need to visit the vet for steroids or antihistamines. I wouldn't couple a flea dip or flea shampoo with the Frontline."Common sense isn't so common"
  • wliu003wliu003
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    i heard capstar was good. anyone have experience with that product? my friends are recommending that to me. so far ive applied frontline although im not even sure if shes been infested with fleas in the first place. this was more of a preventative/just incase she is measure.
  • shirapup32shirapup32
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    My vet recommends frontline monthly so I do that with Shira. It's supposed to prevent and/or kill both fleas and ticks, and is supposedly safe for a pup as young as she is (13 weeks today! :D) but ticks are really common in the area (captial region of NY) so she is also getting rounds of a vaccine for lyme disease.
    It's always a good idea to give your dog a once over for ticks after a romp outside, but don't forget to check yourself too! Just thought I'd throw that reminder out there so that nobody has to suffer the way I did the week before last. Turns out I was the one with the tick problem! I ended up in the ER where they slapped a mask on me and took me into a room, since my symptoms were suspiciously similar to meningitis and the swine flu, 'til figured out I had lyme from a tick bite on the back of my thigh where I couldn't easily see. So be careful everybody!!
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    We've had a lot of luck this year with our "potion" of geranium oil/lavender oil/peppermint oil/water (or jojoba). It will wash off when the dog is submerged in water, but I keep a supply with us in a spritz bottle... I use it on them and myself.
  • CaliaCalia
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    Tsukiysune- Is that mixture repel fleas, or kill them or what? How long does it work? And do you feel it is safe to use in conjunction with frontline plus?
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  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    I don't use Frontline Plus anymore, so I'm really not sure.. but since they are natural oils I really couldn't see why not

    The mixture blends oils that are natural repellents, it works as long as the oils are in the hair of the dog/clothes and skin of the human. Since they are essential oils, they do slightly wash off with water like rain, and really come off after the dog is submerged in water
  • obukobuk
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    I must say tea tree oil has worked wonders for us. The dog is not too pleased with the smell but the bugs aren't either! ;o) I do mix that with jojoba oil sometimes and I really don't put much of it on him either. Most of it I actually apply it between his shoulder blades where you're supposed to put the spot on thingys.
  • CaliaCalia
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    Where's the best place to get such oils, and is there anything I should look out for that might make finding the 'right' oils confusing (like for instance accidentally grabbing scented massage oils)?
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  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    Posts: 6468
    I buy the Aura Cacia oils (100% pure, sometimes organic) from my local health food store.
    http://www.auracacia.com/

    The Oils: There is a 'recipe' you can try first as the geranium is strong for both you and your dog:
    - Geranium Essential Oil + Lavender Essential Oil + Peppermint Essential Oil + Lemongrass Essential Oil. Mix a few drops of each to a carrier (water or jojoba oil) and spray on dog's coat evenly [and spray on your clothing].
  • CaliaCalia
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    Does this just work on ticks and fleas, or have you found it to also work to repel other insects such as mosquitos and gnats?
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  • tjbart17tjbart17
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    I found a tick on Chanel, my calico (well mostly gray now) cat Saturday. She must have gone up on the hillside with the 300 stickers I also found on her. I use Frontline which works well for fleas, but not for ticks.

    Do you recommend these oils for felines? I work next to Berkeley so I'm sure they are easy to find.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
    Posts: 6468
    i think they are meant to be a general insect repellent, I use this combination as a referral from a holistic vet as a substitute for chemical repellents geared towards fleas, ticks, mosquitoes and black flies

    I don't have any cats, so I'm not sure - but I use them on myself with no issues, I imagine they'd be ok for cats too.
  • Has anyone else used Sentry Natural Defense squeeze on? A friend who uses it on her golden recommended it to me and we've been using it on Kayden this season. We've had pretty good luck with it so far, but he did manage to get one tick on him. However, I would probably attribute it to owner error since we probably don't apply it as often as we should. It's claimed to be made with "all natural ingredients" such as peppermint oil, cinnamon oil, lemon grass oil and thyme oil. As a warning it is VERY stinky but for those interested in going the essential oil route, this may be a more convenient way to go and is sold at petco.
  • AkiraleShibaAkiraleShiba
    Posts: 260
    I'd be careful about using that mix on cat because cats are "special" they don't tolerate all essential oil, I would seek the advice of a vet or at least a book to make sure none of the ingredient is toxic to cats.
  • Cats are also picky about how they smell and may just sit there and lick themselves which could render the oils harmful.
    - Jessika
  • CaliaCalia
    Posts: 3664
    Cats hate having anything 'weird' put on them. When we put Frontline on one of my sister's cats a long time ago, we placed it were directed. Well, he just reached around, his skin appeared to have moved on his body, and just licked it off. It's amazing how flexible they can be.
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  • lol, that is funny!
    - Jessika
  • tjbart17tjbart17
    Posts: 437
    That is funny!

    Chanel is almost 18 years old, and honestly I wonder how much longer she is going to be with us. She has even lost so much weight these last couple weeks, or Koda makes me think she is lighter. She is underweight though and she still eats the same amount. You can feel her bones, and her calico coloring is almost all gray. I feel so bad for her sometimes, but she has lived a long wonderfully spoiled life.

    She's very tolerant of whatever I do to her. She's tolerant of the puppy, and would put up with anything I put on her, but no I don't want anything to harm her. Guess it's just her years of experience with me that has numbed her. It was just one tick, and I'm sure she was up on the hill where she doesn't usually go.

    I put Frontline on her and she just stairs into my eyes like "What the hell are you doing to me now lady."
  • TeamLaikaTeamLaika
    Posts: 188
    Here is an interesting article on flea/tick product diversion

    http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=12583

    How are so many products available to non-veterinary outlets when companies claim they sell ONLY to licensed veterinarians? Hmmmm. No financial incentive to stop, perhaps?

    In conclusion, an excerpt from the end of the article:
    In Marietta, Ga., Dr. Michael Good thinks he may have found the answer to diversion. Six months ago, with technical help from a company that peddles pet merchandise on the Web, he put his pharmacy online. Now everything he sells in his clinic is available on the Internet to HIS CLIENTS ONLY.

    “We’re averaging about four to five orders per day, $400 to $500 dollars a day in business. This is business that would have gone elsewhere. THESE PEOPLE WANT TO ORDER ONLINE,” he said.

    Good said some of his products are priced the same online as in the clinic, but items that are readily available elsewhere tend to be cheaper in his Internet pharmacy. “We take the most famous one,” he said, referring to 1-800-PetMeds, “and we charge a dollar less. We like to stick it to them and twist the knife,” he added with a chuckle of delight.

    At the end of each day, a clinic staffer pulls the orders, boxes the products and ships them priority mail. Anyone who spends $39 or more gets free shipping.

    “If every veterinarian in the country did this, and only for our clients, then we’d put a serious dent in these activities,” Good said. “I still make a good profit, and I’m making my clients happy.”

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    Yikes. What a racket.
    What are your thoughts?

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