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Trachea, Tendon, Antlers: Chews for the dedicated chewer
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    Best Bully Sticks (.com) is awesome.

    I've ordered [deer] antlerz, ostrich tendons, beef trachea, bully sticks, fish stix, and (expecting in mail soon) Himalayan dog chews.
    All that we've tried have stood up to the dedicated chewing jaws of the shibas... we'll be testing the himalayan dog chews once they arrive.

    They have an extensive list of great dog chews/treats. Even hard to find ones! They've got them!

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  • brandon_wbrandon_w
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    How long does an Antler last for $8?
  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    Jazz loves Himalayan Dog Chews - they don't last longer than a day, but boy do they keep her occupied. She likes Elk Antlers, but they don't seem to hold her interest as long. She keeps coming back to play & chew on them though.
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    Honestly, Brandon.. not that long. The 'Antlerz' brand are somewhat processed and crumble a lot easier than the real thing. The real set of antlers I got from my grandfather's deer lasted almost a month, while the antlerz maybe 5 days or so, which still isn't too bad. Though, I don't leave them with it 24/7, it comes down when I can monitor them and goes up when I can't.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
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    I got real deer antlers for my two. They LOVE them and chew them a lot. They are still around 3 months later!
  • LeonbergerLeonberger
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    If you had to choose a "safe" chew that could be left with a dog, with minimal to no supervision, would you say such a thing existed? And what would it be?
    I'd like to give Kuma something to keep him busy when we're away.
  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    I leave the large himalayan chew with Jazz, but I don't know how well that would work with an Akita.
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • LeonbergerLeonberger
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    Well, I'll share a story about chews. :-)
    When we went to the show in Porto, I bought a potato starch bone, bacon flavoured. It was pretty hard, I couldn't scratch it with my fingernails, so I thought it might keep Kuma busy for a a couple of hours if we needed to leave him alone in the bedroom.
    We ended up not leaving him alone, bu I gave it to him anyway. The thing lasted 10 minutes, maybe even less!
  • sunyatasunyata
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    Holy wow, Rui! Kuma has some busy jaws!

    The himalayan chews (IMO) are okay to leave with our dogs because they are nothing more than a hard cheese. It is completely edible, and breaks off in tiny little chunks. However, I only leave it with them unattended if they are seperated... as they get a little snarky because the other one's bone is so much better than their own. Not sure if Nyx would try and steal Kuma's treat. :)

    However, since an Akita's mouth and throat are bigger than a Shiba's, it may not be quite as suitable for Kuma.

    Jen - I have ordered from BBS before, as they are based out of Richmond. Unfortunately, they do not have a store, so I have to pay for shipping. :( (which is not too terribly bad, I just would rather pick it up!)
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  • CaliaCalia
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    Speaking on deer antlers:

    http://www.deerantlersforpups.com/
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  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
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    Beth - That is where I get Miso and Sake's antlers. They LOVE them.
  • okironokiron
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    Does anything special get done with the antlers or is it straight from the deer/ground to your dogs' mouths?
  • tendo85tendo85
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    Yeah I have the same question as Oki. Where I live in PA I find them all over, usually just let them lay. If a simple wash is all they need to become a chew toy I'll have a ton in the next few weeks.
    Post edited by tendo85 at 2009-03-23 18:14:41
  • Wow. Never heard of this before.
  • Darwin67Darwin67
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    Kahlo doesn't chew...we got her a kong, nylobone, chew treats...and nada...she has a stuffed toy she mouths, but not a serious chewer...I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
  • ljowen123ljowen123
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    Jazz turned into a chewer about 5 months after she came to us - I don't know if she just wasn't given things to chew on or not. So for those that rescue, take that into consideration. It also took her a long time to ever really play with anything.
    LJ - owned by Queen Jazz, a Shiba Inu, Atlanta, GA
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  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
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    From what I understand the antlers are "shed" and found. They are cleaned with a pet safe - non toxic cleaner and then shipped. They are not processed in any way.
  • tendo85tendo85
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    Thanks Kris, Indy will have plenty of all natural chew toys this spring then :)
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    I sent an email to Katy (of deerantlersforpups.com) to see what she uses to clean her antlers. The ones my grandpa gave me I froze for 2 months than gave to the dogs and kept refreezing for intervals until they were finished (I am bacteria-phobic)
  • LeonbergerLeonberger
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    So would a trachea/tendon/bully stick be OK to leave for Kuma while he's alone?
    I can't see it splintering in pieces that would rip something in him, but I never used any. I'm guessing any small pieces he swallows will just be rehydrated by his stomach.
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    I think a bully stick would be good. they make really long ones that would last him a while. They do smell like the back end of a cow, though. So theres that.

    Tendons and trachea are fast chews for our shibas, tracheas get eaten in one 1/2 hr sitting, tendons (beef, ostrich) in about two.
  • LeonbergerLeonberger
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    LOL, smelling like the back end of a cow might be a big no no :-)

    Thanks Jen!
    Post edited by Leonberger at 2009-03-24 10:42:02
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    According to Katy:

    Thank you for your interest in Deer Antlers. Our deer antlers are 100% natural...Montana deer shed them, they are collected and then wiped off and sanded lightly for rough spots. We have never had a dog get sick from one. They seem easy to digest and since they are not processed (cooked) they don't splinter. When antlers become small, they should be pitched, to prevent a choking hazard. I can't promise, that deer antlers are safe for every dog but I give them to my dogs and my mom gives them to her Doberman, and I give them to my clients dogs....so we are pretty sold on the product.

    Hope this helps, please let me know if you have any other questions or if you would like to order an antler to try.

    Thank you,

    Deer Antlers-Best Dogone Paw Licking Good Dog Chew,

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  • okironokiron
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    Ooo cool. I could get a hold of cheap antlers at powwows so if all it takes is cleaning and sanding down rough spots then I guess I'm set.
  • KaddyKaddy
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    We found antlers in our favorite treat shop - so far the dogs LOVE them. Keiko can go through a Himalayan chew in 3 hours, but she's been on this antler for 2 days and barely made a dent.
  • hondruhondru
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    This is why I plan on fencing in my porch... I need an outdoor place for the pups to chew on all their gross animal parts. :-P
    -Heidi, with Rakka (shikoku) and Sosuke (kai ken)
  • KaddyKaddy
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    It's funny... Loki wants to be far away from us when he has a toy, Belle wants to be buried in her crate, but Keiko... she wants to be on my lap or at least on my feet with a yummy toy. This is the reason she stopped getting bully sticks lol
    Post edited by Kaddy at 2009-04-20 03:20:08
  • hondruhondru
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    Do you guys ever give your dogs marrow or soup bones? I see packs of them for a couple bucks at the grocery store all the time. I also see pig necks, pig feet, chicken feet, and various other things that nobody wants to eat but dogs like. My dogs love them. Of course, I got a cow's worth of free bones a while back that I still haven't used up, so I haven't bought any bones in a long time!
    -Heidi, with Rakka (shikoku) and Sosuke (kai ken)
  • tsukitsunetsukitsune
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    marrow bones are considered wreck-bones/rec-bones. They can really do a number on your dogs teeth if it is allowed to chew the actually bone once all the marrow is gone. Gnawing on the bone is fine, like running their teeth on the side and all that, but if they bite down they will damage their mouth, even the largest of large dogs shouldn't be allowed to go to town on the bone. Its a weight-baring bone in the original animal and is far to strong to chew.

    I used to get marrow bones, freeze them, then let the dogs slowly work at the marrow (like a ready made Kong!) but then Tsuki started to want to chew on the bone and made her mouth bleed on two separate occasions and I haven't bought them since.

    The shibas eat turkey and chicken necks, chicken feet, cow and pig ears, antlers, bully sticks, trachea, tendon...
  • wliu003wliu003
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    nice, i'll try these out. so far my shiba has chewed up any toy i put in front of her.
  • I got the girls antlers last week. What a huge success. They love them and have barely put a dent into them. They are staying on rotation for sure.
  • KFontaine04KFontaine04
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    Miso and Sake love deer antlers. They get bored after a while though and forget about them.
  • AntoinetteAntoinette
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    I got a medium sized elk antler for Quake who is 2-1/2 years old. He loved it. I am only letting him chew on it when I am home. I wonder if I am being over cautious? I let him chew on his two nylabones when I am at work and he also has other toys to play with when he is alone!
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    You are not being over cautious, one forum member's dog has broken teeth on antlers. I prefer for Kira to chew them when I am home as well.
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  • Kit_Keet_Kit_Keet_
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    I've noticed that both of my dogs love chewing on things, antlers, trachea, tendons, you name it... One of their favorites though are cow hooves. I'm not sure health wise how good they are for them, but they both LOVE them. They start to smell when the dogs chew on them for a while and they get wet, but they seem to be soft enough to be okay for teeth, and they last forever!

    I agree with @Kira_Kira, antlers can do damage, so I've never left the dogs alone with them. Also, be careful with some nylabones. The ones made for avid chewers (I'm thinking specifically of the dino shaped ones) tend to be too hard and have caused broken teeth!

    I should add, Bel and Kit don't get hooves on a regular basis, in fact, I don't even remember the last time they've had one, but as an occasional long-term chew treat the hooves are definitely a favorite!
    Post edited by Kit_Keet_ at 2014-03-27 23:48:35
  • I would love to give my dogs raw bones but with little ones around it just makes me nervous so I needed to find another way to clean their teeth. I love Wholesome Hide retriever rolls (the thick ones). Dogs love them, they last forever, it's 1 long piece of hide instead of a cheap hide with broken pieces in the middle...and...made in USA!! It's more expensive up front but they last a lot longer.
  • BootzBootz
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    @oneluckymug

    Rawhides, regardless if they are made in USA, is something we advise people to avoid. Due to the fact that they cause blockage. A forum member fed it to his shiba EVEN THOUGH, he chews it to pieces. It caused blockage and he had to go to the vet.

    So definitely try a more natural chew. I would give raw bones in a secluded area where your little one doesn't have access too, then wipe the furbabies down before rejoining common areas where the little one has access to.

    @Antoniette

    Not a big fan of nylabones, id say to avoid it. Don't leave any chews with your shiba unsupervised if you are doubtful.
  • sunyatasunyata
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    @Bootz - I actually love Nylabones (the durable chews, not the puppy ones). They last for months and the pieces that get gnawed off are so small (think coarse salt sized) that there is no way they could cause a blockage. Plus, they are made in the US, so that is always good. They are also softer than the dog's teeth, so are less likely to cause dental issues.

    If the dog is not a super chewer, then the durable Nylabones are okay, in my opinion. My dogs have been chewing them for years without any problems. They are also the only chews that are available to them all the time, since they are not likely to cause broken teeth. Antlers, hooves, etc. are only given under direct supervision.

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  • Bootz said:

    @oneluckymug

    Rawhides, regardless if they are made in USA, is something we advise people to avoid. Due to the fact that they cause blockage. A forum member fed it to his shiba EVEN THOUGH, he chews it to pieces. It caused blockage and he had to go to the vet.

    So definitely try a more natural chew. I would give raw bones in a secluded area where your little one doesn't have access too, then wipe the furbabies down before rejoining common areas where the little one has access to.

    @Antoniette

    Not a big fan of nylabones, id say to avoid it. Don't leave any chews with your shiba unsupervised if you are doubtful.



    The only issue with rawhides I find is people don't find appropriate quality and size ones. The cheep and nasty ones from pet smart (made in China and absolutely chemically dangerous) are the first ones I tried years ago and they lasted minutes. The Wholesome Hide ones...even with constant chewing and a power chewer Shiba...after hours the Chew is barely visibly gone. It's night and day with what happens with other chews. I decided against nylabones as we keep having people tell us their dogs are breaking teeth on them and when we asked the vet he said the same thing...at least 1 dog a week because of Nylabones comes for a visit.
  • BootzBootz
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    @sunyata my Shiba isn't an aggressive chewer, but a super chewer. I don't know if that makes sense to you. Haha. She doesn't chomp, but she really gets at it! I usually avoid things they can't digest. I leave hooves around the house for them to chew as i know they do not swallow/chomp. Plus when the have the urge to chew, they just pick up the hoove instead of our furniture ;)

    @oneluckymug that is the thing, the forum member who's Shiba got blockage was feeding good quality rawhide that was made in USA.

    I mean with all chew treats, it depends on your Shiba. Its up to you to know what works and what doesn't. Just make sure to be careful!
  • sunyatasunyata
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    @Bootz - I totally understand the "super chewer". And yes, the nylon is not a natural substance. But it helps keep Nola occupied and from chewing on things that she should not while I am away if she has a seizure (chewing is apparently self soothing since she has almost always done this after a seizure). Plus, it is not a high value item, so there is no chance of an argument between the two.
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  • jarvizjarviz
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    Kira_Kira said:

    You are not being over cautious, one forum member's dog has broken teeth on antlers. I prefer for Kira to chew them when I am home as well.



    can;t this happen when you're home ad well? :(
  • BootzBootz
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    @Jarviz

    No...because when they are home = supervised eating. You correct your dog when you notice they're chomping on the treat. Same with trying to swallow anything whole. Feel free to tag me or Kira_Kira if you're still confused.
  • KimbasKinKimbasKin
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    Looking back on this thread I don't see anything on cow ears. Are they in the same category as rawhide? I picked one up for Kimba and he loves it- but he isn't an aggressive chewer and doesn't bite bits off- just gnaws away on it. He has had it a couple of weeks and has only worn down the edge a bit. Thoughts? Cautions?
  • jarvizjarviz
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    @bootz

    wait, so you mean i need to see HOW they're biting on the treat? is there a bad way to eat treats and chew toys? Mine just kinda gnaws away at antlers, but softer and more edible stuff, she'll just chew away at it. Is that bad?
  • I find it's helpful to equate puppies to infants - in saying that, we always watch what babies eat, what they put in their mouths, etc. Some kids try to shove the whole cupcake in their mouth at once, and if we saw that, we'd stop them, because we know it's a choking hazard. Same goes for puppies; sometimes they'll try to eat an entire treat in one mouthful (and I'm talking like big treat, like rawhide or something), and it poses the same choking risk. So you definitely have to watch what they're eating, and how they're eating it. Other people above have said that they know that their shibas can eat 'x', but can't eat 'y' because of whatever reason, and that probably comes from experience and knowing your dog. It's all a learning experience.
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    Good analogy @SushiShiba :)

    @jarvis -

    When Kira was a puppy, I was also overly paranoid about what she chewed, would she choke on it, would it break a tooth, etc. I gave her chews, watched her like a hawk, gave her time restraints (and still do) on particular chews, and panicked if she ever started hacking while chewing. That is essentially the difference between supervision and leaving treats with them unattended.

    It's not likely that a dog will choke itself with a chew the first time it starts hacking, although I wouldn't doubt it's happened. But being vigilant while they chew and recognizing healthy chewing habits versus bad chewing habits can also shape and develop how your dog chews. If Kira would start hacking on a chew, it would obviously be taken away and she would get a toy or something else instead. Similarly, I only allow her to chew bully sticks for 30 minutes a day after dinner. Kira actually has become so accustomed to this that if she has it longer and I forget to take it away, she actually stops chewing it anyways.

    Puppies should always be supervised, as they sometimes have difficulty practicing self-control until you know your dog a little better.
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  • Here are some chews that our shiba has enjoyed - she is a rescue with a few teeth missing, a couple cracked teeth and even a couple teeth that had to be filed down:

    - Frozen Chicken and Turkey necks (great for teeth, the tendons act like dental floss)
    - venison hoof/tendon - she looooved it!
    - tracheas
    - bully sticks
    - frozen beef cartilage
    - beef knee bones (these were a bit too hard for her to hold and chew)
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Anyone know anything about the earth animal no hide chews? They seem like a wanna-be rawhide but is supposedly highly digestible. Ozzy picked one out from a pet store on one of our trips and loves it. It's also lasted a long time, which is pretty rare for chews with him. He even makes quick work of antlers these days.. I throw the antlers away after he gnaws up the inside and starts being able to get bits off that I don't think seem all that safe to ingest. He doesn't usually eat the hard bits but spits them all over and likes to chew on them, so I'm sure he's swallowed some before even unintentionally.

    Anyway, just wondering if anyone has any opinions, warnings, etc about the earth animal no hide chews. His is a salmon one.
  • zandramezandrame
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    @Lilikoi, I've given Mayaa the smaller salmon stix with no problem. But they are pretty expensive, so I haven't bought any again.

    There is some current drama though, concerning recent microscopic and DNA testing that appears to show the base material of the chews is in fact beef skin.

    https://truthaboutpetfood.com/is-no-hide-dog-treat-actually-hide/
    https://truthaboutpetfood.com/no-hide-rebuttal-brings-more-questions/
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    @zandrame - thanks for the links! I still need to read them, about to head home from class atm. I'm not super bothered if it is some sort of hide unless that means it's dangerous... if it's partially hide but still easily digestible and safe, that would probably be acceptable (but also concerning that a company would make a claim that's totally untrue). Like I know some people that consider bully sticks to be the same as rawhide. But as long as they don't chip off into sharp pieces or in chunks that could be a choking hazard, the semantics of it doesn't bother me. I'll definitely read those links when I'm home to get a better idea!
    Post edited by Lilikoi at 2017-10-03 01:22:18

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