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  • How many of you use harnesses?  I am wondering if it would be beneficial for my monsters...One big problem we have is our 70 lb mix slips out of her martingale collar...I never got the harness thing but I am wondering what can assist me in utter and total domination of the puppy household!!! (please excuse me...I took a loopy sleepy pill which brings out a very interesting part of me!Surprised)
    Post edited by curlytails at 2012-12-12 22:40:53

  • We use these harnesses for hiking:

    http://www.ruffwear.com/Web-Master-trade-Harness?sc=2&category=16



    and these harnesses for walks:

    http://www.premier.com/pages.cfm?id=74



    Both work well, the easy walk really helps stop them from pulling and prevents any injury to their necks from them pulling or stopping [Hilo AKA "lead butt" tend to just stop walking].


  • We use the Puppia harness. It breathes because it is a neoprene like mesh. It doesn't break any hair. And it is soft enough that he can't hurt himself.



    Moto walks really well on a leash though. He stays right at my side unless he is about to poop. So I don't have much, if any, pulling issues. 

  • Wow - that is impressive for a Shiba... Kaia doesn't walk great on leash, she pulls a lot. Maui walks well on leash now, but he used to pull really bad. Kaia is silly, when we go on a walk she will walk very well on the way out, but once she knows she is headed back home she pulls really bad. It's like she can't wait to get home.

  • Of course the morning after I write about how great Moto is being, he destroys my eyeglasses.



     



    Aahh Shibas gotta love 'em 


  • Tasha walks very well on leash, so I just use a martingale. Ronan, on the other hand, will choke himself silly. And I'm afraid he'll slip out of the martingale if he freaks - he's nearly done this twice now. So, he has a Premiere harness that he's used to, and we're getting him used to the harness that came with his backpack from ruffwear.



    When Ronan was little, all I ever used on him was a harness because I worried about injury to his neck.


  • Oh man, Ahi ate my classes once too. That sux. Frown



    We used a harness with Ahi most of her puppyhood, same with Hilo.

  • hondruhondru
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    I used to walk Tojo on a harness sometimes.  He hated it soooo much.  In fact, if he was being rambunctious, sometimes I would just put his harness on because then he's just stand there, not wanting to move because he has his harness on.  I don't have it anymore, though.  He chewed the buckles so I took it apart and make a nylon slip collar that we both like much better!



    Tojo wrecked two pairs of glasses... then I got a pair from www.goggles4u.com for $30 and he hasn't touched them.  I guess he knew they were cheap. 

    -Heidi, with Rakka (shikoku) and Sosuke (kai ken)
  • Ive tried many different ones, Lexi has finally settled with the EZYDOG harness... its awesome. its molded to her body for a better fit.
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  • We are on about our 4th harness.... Started with Sporn, then got an EZWalk -- which did not fit at all, a Sensation, which looked so flimsy and difficult to hook the leash on, I sent it back. So, now have a "Soy" harness which seems to fit pretty good, but "rolls" a little when we are out walking. Is this the "nature" of a harness? It "readjusts" as we walk? It rolls a little to the left, and then a little to the right? It seems tight enough -- I can get a finger under it all over -- but still rolls... Frustrating, the search for a "perfect" fit harness.
  • kumaDUDEkumaDUDE
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    How old is your dog?
  • I'm on my 3rd (EZWalk) which I don't care for much because of the odd fitment issue. I still use it though because it does a good job with him not pulling as much. I think my next one is the EZYDOG harness. That one looks pretty good. I just have to measure him first before I order.
  • Dakota is 1 year old and full-grown. We returned the EZWalk because after trying 3 different sizes, just could NOT get it to fit correctly.
  • esiepielaesiepiela
    Posts: 394
    I just purchased the EZYDOG harness

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004PGWB3Y/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

    The harness that we had before (I don't know the name of it) but it slipped over Zach's head. He HATES it. I am hoping that this one will be better. Should have it by next week. We are taking him on vacation with us the beginning of September to the beach and I want to have a good harness that will keep him safe. Hopefully this is it!
  • kumaDUDEkumaDUDE
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    I'm starting Kuma into the ruffwear webmaster harness starting Tuesday since it was only $15 on amazon. Then when he is full grown I will switch him to a ruffwear palisades removable dog pack combo. Hopefully the transition from martingale to the harness won't be an issue.
  • LosechLosech
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    @kumaDUDE I'll bet that the Palisades will be much much too big for him. I've got one for my 50 pound dog, size small, and it fits her perfectly.
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    The Palisades does not come in a smaller size. If you want a pack, I'd get an XS Approach, since the Small Approach will also be too big.
    I had an older model Approach pack for Conker and modified it into a Palisades style. I did that with my other dog's Approach pack as well. You can see how I did that here and here.
  • kumaDUDEkumaDUDE
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    @losech thank you! I will look at what I can find
  • bikingleiabikingleia
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    I wanted to try a puppia harness for Roo since she hated her collar but they were a little pricey just to try. I found one very similar on Amazon for just $8. It seems to work just fine but I haven't had much trouble with pulling. I think it's made by Four Paws.
  • BuckyBadgerBuckyBadger
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    Losech said:

    @kumaDUDE I'll bet that the Palisades will be much much too big for him. I've got one for my 50 pound dog, size small, and it fits her perfectly.
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    The Palisades does not come in a smaller size. If you want a pack, I'd get an XS Approach, since the Small Approach will also be too big.
    I had an older model Approach pack for Conker and modified it into a Palisades style. I did that with my other dog's Approach pack as well. You can see how I did that here and here.



    So we are looking at getting Mika a pack to carry her Alpha 100 since it is to big for her neck...

    What is Conkers Girth? Mika is 21.5...right between 2 sizes. The green pack looks like a nice size for your Shiba

    What would you suggest?
    Fred and Jodie...Madison WI

    **Mika....The Shiba Inu**

    **Zoey....The Schipperke**
    Post edited by BuckyBadger at 2013-03-01 16:01:37
  • RikkaRikka
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    I recently bought the Ruffwear Approach Pack for XS. Sagan has a 22" girth and it fits him perfectly. I was debating on going for S, but since he still has a few inches to fill out, the XS worked out. They recommend going for the smaller size if your dog is "in between" the sizes.

    Plus, it's $20 cheaper on Amazon right now. ;)
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    Lauren, living with a 4 y/o Shiba named after a scientist. ☆
  • LosechLosech
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    Conker is about 21 inches, he fits an XS well. Like @Rikka said, the "older" Approach packs are on sale now, since Ruff Wear came out with an updated version. Good time to buy.
    Post edited by Losech at 2013-03-01 19:45:29
  • BootzBootz
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    Too bad they don't have a XXXXS for small breeds lol.

    Do you think a shiba can grow accustomed to that backpack? Bootz doesn't like anything on her back. She even stops during our walk if the leash is hanging off her back.
  • Do you think if I got Zim one of those backpacks, restaurants would buy it when I said he was my purse? He could be a dog-purse instead of a purse-dog.
    ;)
  • LosechLosech
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    @Bootz Conker is totally used to his packs, mainly since he constantly wore a harness for the first two months i had him, and is almost always walked on one. But he can't wear them anymore due to how bad his right leg has gotten.

    @notoriousscrat HAHA! Doooo iiiiit.
  • RikkaRikka
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    @notoriousscrat - Totally.

    @Bootz - Very likely, yes. Sagan hasn't worn a harness in FOREVER (I use a martingale when outside) but when I was adjusting the backpack on him, I gave him a lot of treats and distraction. He didn't seem to mind after awhile.
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    Lauren, living with a 4 y/o Shiba named after a scientist. ☆
  • BootzBootz
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    @Rikka it was horrible when I introduced Bootz to the ruffwear harness. I did what Losech said with the baby steps and LOTS of treats. It's a no go. Bootz
    can not be bought with treats when she has it on. She just tenses up and freeze. Even tried bully sticks cheeses...anything tasty. She's ok once we leave the house but will still tense up in the house... Lol
  • Kuma uses a Ruffwear. He used to use the ComfortFlex harness, which is pretty much the same design as the EZYDog, except is uses a velcro and clip closure. The velcro wore so we switched to the Ruffwear. Kuma froze the first time we used the Ruffwear and wobbled around like he forgot how to walk. Once we got outside and started walking he was fine. He's fine with it, but was like Bootz the first couple of times out.
  • KichiPupKichiPup
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    I definitely need a better walking harness for my shiba pup, Right now we have a Lupine slip on harness and it works, but she has backed out of it once and I know if she backs up too quickly she CAN pull out of it. So I wanted to get a hiking backpack where the packs can be pulled off and then it can be used as a normal harness. I have seen a few but they are too big for her right now at 12bs :( Also we tried a martingale collar, and as soon as it has the slightest tug, it makes her back up and strangle herself immediately, which means if she was quick enough she could back out of that to. We have an extremely wiggly puppy! She has a normal collar on but thats just to hold her tags. We don't dare attach a leash onto that cause that would be instant escape and choking. For example, I had her on the training lead outside in the snow and she ran around a tree and before I could catch up to her she ran around it a few times and freaked, and backed out of the slip on. I managed to grab her, but when she goes to get in the car, as soon as the car door opens, she flies backwards as well.
    Interested in the easy walk chest harnesses, Does anyone have experience or have heard of their dog pulling out of those? I know lots of other dogs are good with them.... but Shibas are not like other dogs :P Just looking for a harness she can't pull out of!
  • INU RYUUINU RYUU
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    The only harness that my two have not been able to back out of is the Ruffwear webmaster. They also have packs based on the webmaster harness. After almost 4 years no escapes from the harness.
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  • HanakoHanako
    Posts: 110
    What's a harness in the $15 or less range that doesn't go over the head and clips in behind the legs? something like the ez dog chest harness but cheaper

    Mainly looking for something cheap and easy to get on and off that doesn't go over the head since I'll mostly be using it for dog parks and other places where it's going to get dirty and beat up quick.
  • amtiamti
    Posts: 1066
    If you have a Big Lots near you, I found a relatively good harness with metal rings and plastic clips for $2. You have to slip your dog's legs through the two leg openings, but it clips between the shoulders and has metal rings to keep the two straps that meet above the legs together as well as two metal loops for the leash. For $2, it is a steal!
  • BootzBootz
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    @amti @hanako those are also available at the dollar store. I used those when Bootz was a puppy and it worked great for $1. :)
  • amtiamti
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    Oh man! I paid too much! lol!
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    Okay, what is the consensus of the forum if someone is considering a harness, wants one for mainly use in city suburb life (not off trail hiking), and wants a front clip to help reduce/prevent pulling, but needs to be sure if the dog backs up it can't slip out of the harness very easily.

    I use a martingale collar for my dogs, but I have noticed they are getting used to walking on a leash with some level of pull. They are not terrible pullers 95% of the time, but they do accept a level of tension, so I am wondering if a front clip harness would be useful to help counter train the "max" leash effect I am getting with the martingale.
  • CleoPetraCleoPetra
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    I don't know if anyone has posted this yet or not, but for the dog that I own, the BEST thing ever has been a gentle leader (aka head collar). It fits a little like a muzzle, but they can still bark, eat, etc. It sits high up on their head, and if they pull, it turns their head (which they don't like). It's a gentle corrector :)
  • LosechLosech
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    @redcattoo Just re-teach them how to walk on a loose leash. It's much better to do it that way than by spending money on a different harness/collar/head halter as a "quick fix".
    Also, you can use a regular harness as a front-clip if you still want one of those. Just attach the leash to the ring on the front.
    Post edited by Losech at 2013-03-13 21:33:31
  • Yoshi_BlyYoshi_Bly
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    I use puppia harness, so far its been great. Bought the small since he is still only 9.5 weeks old and also bought the medium for when he gets bigger.
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    @Losech, you are probably right. Part of my issue is that Bear slips collars so easily, so it was always better for me to let him walk ahead of me so I could keep an eye on him and if he got excited he couldn't slip the collar by pulling forward. He got very used to walking at the end of the 6 foot lead with slight tension.

    Now that I walk two with the addition of Tanjiro most mornings I also like them ahead of me rather than the typical closer to my side area as that keeps us more compact by the side of the roads we walk and easier for me to monitor.

    I guess I will have to try figuring out how to work with both of them to walk a little looser at the ends of their leads, I just need two or three more hands to balance the rewards, the leashes, and maintain control over Bear's resource guarding around his value treats.
  • I am very pleased with the EZY QuickFit. I use them for my Shiba and Welsh Terrier. I have used Puppia and Ruffwear in the past but like the EZY the best.
  • redcattooredcattoo
    Posts: 1960
    I use the front clip no-pull harness for both my dogs, since adding Tanjiro to the family (at 50+ lbs I needed to control his puppy impulses on walks easier without pressure on his throat) but I thought this article was interesting and should be shared regarding a very limited gait study that could give you some thoughts to consider about possibly about using one.

    http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/16_7/features/the-no-pull-debate_20782-1.html
    Post edited by redcattoo at 2013-08-09 14:30:44
  • Kobe1468Kobe1468
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    Thx for sharing @redcattoo. Very interesting. I have a lot of respect for both Dr. Zink and Pat Miller, and think the WDJ is one of the better resources for everything dog.

    I also used front clip harnesses for my Samoyeds and my Siberian. None ever seemed to experience any forelimb issues, and IMO, helped with my Sibes pulling issues.

    With Kobe, we are using a webmaster for long walks/hikes. It has worked very well for him, and I love the handle for assisting him over obstacles. The contact points seem to be well balanced, and we've had no pulling issues.

    But I do agree, nothing substitutes proper training. While some harnesses may be 'safer' than others to a pulling dog, we must train our dogs not to pull, regardless if wearing a harness, martingale, whatever.
    "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened."
  • @redcattoo - it's not a front clip, but we use a Premier adjustable sure fit harness (I believe). Something like this
    http://www.amazon.com/Premier-Surefit-Harness-Small-Green/dp/B00606XTMY/ref=sr_1_42?ie=UTF8&qid=1376256344&sr=8-42&keywords=premier+adjustable+harness.

    Our girl is built like a mix of shiba and sighthound and a lot of harnesses fit poorly. We like this one because even though it clips at the back, there's no pressure on her neck and she can't slip out because we can adjust properly (also easier to put on than most harnesses due to two buckles). In an emergency we've been able to reel her in like a fish and pull her up to get her out of harm's way without worrying about injury (happened with an off leash dog on the attack and a bad driver that started speeding back without checking their rear view mirror).
  • We knew to plan on using a harness before we brought Kaiju home, because luckily my boyfriend knows a Shiba owner and among the helpful advice he got was that the little escape artists can often very easily slip out of a collar when leashed. Our first harness while getting Kaiju used to walks was the Kong comfort harness, which worked alright but was always a struggle to get buckled on the wiggleworm. For the last six months or so we've been using the Ruffwear Web Master harness, and it is fantastic! It's much easier to put on than her previous harness, and if you need to make use of the handle, the pressure and weight are distributed much more evenly so it doesn't seem to cause her much discomfort and didn't slide around as much. After lots of playtime it badly needs to be washed and have the straps readjusted a bit, but it's held up great through all the abuse and is well worth the money to keep my monsterpup safe!
  • Bump

    @kira_kira, since it seems you have purchased every harness known to man, I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction for a non-step in harness? Currently we us an ez-walker with the loop on the top. It's not hard to put on and off him (a step will be) but the nylon looks uncomfortable.

    I am looking for something with a buckle around the head and a buckle for around the body (I know he won't do the step in thing).



    Recommendations?
    Post edited by BanjoTheBetaDog at 2015-02-26 09:37:02
  • We started with a Sporn from the rescue, then ordered an Easy Walk but it made the dreaded Y shape, so it went back. Now we have a Ruffwear Front Range. I like it a lot although the front straps are a little wide, but Lotus is skinny.

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    Post edited by D0WNxSH1FT at 2015-02-27 22:57:03
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    @BanjoTheBetaDog

    Yes! I really have owned every harness. :)) The only one I haven't owned is the front range (waiting on a @sunyata visit to get one)

    Nearly every harness is required to go over the head, unfortunately. But not all require a walk-in so that's good.

    EZYDOG Quickfit harness is hands down the easiest harness to put on. Slips over the head then the buckle is applied under the chest. I do like those a lot, very similar to the JULIUS-K9 style.

    I would recommend one of those two types for a dog that does not like step-in harnesses!
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  • Thanks @Kira_kira !!!!!

    Ordered both of them today... both in two different sizes as the d-bag destroyed the measuring tape back in the day (Puppies are total jerks). I'll let you know what I think! He is also not crated today for the day.... lets see what happens!





  • zandramezandrame
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    Another vote for the Front Range from me! :D

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  • @zandrame, how did that one go on? loop over head and over the back? or is it step-in?

  • zandramezandrame
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    @BanjoTheBetaDog, no step-ins for Kouda either. It goes over the head, and the chest piece goes under the belly and attaches behind the legs with buckles to the top (both sides). It is completely padded which is great, and distributes pulling to the chest not neck. It also has a front attachment option.

    View from front.
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  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    That harness looks awesome! Can't wait to see if it will fit Kira, she's gotten more voluptuous over the winter. :))
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