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NuVet vitamins
  • rubyruby
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    I've used the advanced search thread and what comes up is that this is a vitamin sold by p mills to not honor health guarantees. Have any members actually used it and if so what was their experience?

    We have 2 shibas. Both were sent home with Nuvet vitamins.

    I would say this holds true for our older dog as her breeder definitely falls under the undesirable category. Strangely she is way healthier than Drake who came from a great breeder.

    Drake has had food allergies and phantom diarrhea, constipation, hair loss (really bad in some spots). Some other stuff but generally speaking seems to have a nutritional deficiency or possibly weak immune system - very under weight. Insists on stool eating. Even on lead he will fight you for it. So weird for a shiba. We've gotten him "calmed down" about this issue. Anyway when we try to increase his weight he craps it out and loses more. Vets can't seem to find a reason why.

    I've tried numerous supplements, probiotics, prebiotics...

    Thinking of using this since our breeder sent him home with it and I've run out of ideas.
  • imBLASIANimBLASIAN
    Posts: 412
    Have you checked for worms, hormone impalance, thyroid issues, etc.?
  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    Yes full work up all clear more than once. But did not do colonoscopy.
  • spacedogsspacedogs
    Posts: 355
    Have you tried an elimination diet with Drake to rule out food allergies causing this?

    There are a lot of things that can cause coprophagia and not all of them stem from nutritional deficiencies. Stress is a big one, stress from ANYTHING. Once he's got the habit of eating it it's hard to break because it's kind of it's own reward, but the best thing to do is make sure you're taking him places that are clean and free of poop rewards!
  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    We do the Dr Dodds nutriscan testing. We have it done on both dogs. They have had it done twice and the soonest you can go between testings is 6 months so it is too soon. He is somewhat better this year bu the first testing he was allergic to most everything making it hard to find a diet for him.
    Thank you for trying to be helpful. The coprophagia doesn't bother me like it did before. We just take him on lead and after he eliminates offer him a reward and while he is busy with that clean up after him. We've done it enough that he runs to us and sits and waits for it instead of fighting for the stool. If he isn't on lead he still goes for it. So my concern is that with him still doing it, being underweight and having hair loss that it was an area that could be addressed with a vitamin...thus the original question. We have tried numerous diets and vitamins without much success.
    With him taking so long to be diagnosed with all of his food allergies he might just be a smaller shiba and have trouble putting on weight til he gets older and slows down some, he is still very active.
  • JuniJuni
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    What do you feed him?
  • imBLASIANimBLASIAN
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    Drake is around 2 now (based on his SPAM post)? When did all of these issues start? And you say you got him from a good breeder? What does the breeder say about his health issues?
  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    @Juni right this minute Drake gets Earthborn Holistic Great Plains with Tiki Lomi Lomi luau on top. So basically kibble with wet salmon and chicken on top. Compared to the first year of his life when he was so limited on proteins and everything he is in heaven. I supplement with a smudge of coconut oil. Anymore than that, diarrhea. We tried salmon oil, diarrhea. Which I don't get since he's not allergic. I might do it again and just give him a smudge on my finger and work him up. His skin where his fur is gone is dry and flaky telling me it is an omega deficiency. He doesn't have any lesions or hot spots and no redness.

    @ imBlasian. His breeder just says that it seems real unusual for a shiba to eat stools and she has small dogs that do it but not shibas. And she doesn't think a supplement will do anything she thinks some just do it.
    He has been this way since day 1. But at first he had giardia and coccidia. Then we didn't know about the food intolerances and that took forever to figure out. but we've had him on a strict diet (meaning not anything he's allergic to) for over a year.
    Post edited by ruby at 2016-10-18 19:50:15
  • spacedogsspacedogs
    Posts: 355
    I don't want to come across as condescending, because I know you love your pets, but I would take the saliva results with a grain of salt. If it were a proven method of diagnosing allergies we would ALL be using it, not just selectively on dogs, cats, and horses.

    If you're willing to spend that kind of money twice a year, why not take Drake to an animal immunologist and have skin and blood testing done for his allergies to definitively rule things in or out?
  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    This is why I don't post much.
    I DO think that is a bit condescending and off topic to boot. I DO love my pets and while it might not seem like I'm doing that great I have tried hard with both of them.
    I did the NutriScan testing at the suggestion of my vet at the time who I trusted. I also really trust and admire Dr. Dodds and feel her articles have helped me be a better pet owner.
    When I say "my vet at the time" it is because I have moved and am fairly new to the area I now live in. I'm lukewarm on my current vet and don't know of any "immunologist" or specialist that would help him.
    The vet in the Twin Cities who initially saw Drake thought his problem to be dietary and further testing (beyond the Nutriscan) to be a witch hunt since it cleared up the constant diarrhea.
    I was only wondering if anyone had tried these specific vitamins--didn't need to be ridiculed for my dog parenting or how I choose to spend money on them.
    Could a moderator come along and close this post or something please?
  • imBLASIANimBLASIAN
    Posts: 412
    @Ruby - That's a shame that it's been since Day 1 and the breeder didn't decide to replace him with a healthy puppy when that was apparent. Healthy puppies don't necessarily need any additional vitamins besides what they get from a high-quality kibble or RAW/BARF diet. I only give Vitamin E to offset any side affects of giving fish oil to enhance my girl's coat. The NuVet products don't really seem very good....
  • spacedogsspacedogs
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    Sorry, ruby, I really am not trying or meaning to ridicule you. I have dogs with allergies, too, and as I said I know you love your pets and want to do right by them. I'm not implying at all that you aren't, or aren't trying, but as an allergy sufferer myself I know beyond the shadow of a doubt, having gone through hell and back identifying my own allergens, saliva is not something used reliably (my Immunologist actually laughed at me for that one, I'd be upset about that but she has changed my life 5000% for the better).

    What you'd be looking for is a Veterinary Dermatologist, rather than an Immunologist.

    Even without being allergy related, it could be that the food you're feeding him is too high protein. Have you considered a lower protein diet? Too much protein can give dogs the runs, too.

    And again, please don't feel like you need to be defensive, I'm certainly not on the offense here, the internet isn't good at relaying tone or emotion and we all sound like emotionless judgemental robots a lot. :(

  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    @imBlasian- thank you- it's okay. I'd never want another dog but Drake. I'll take care of him. I like the breeder and I think sometimes it just happens. I never asked her for another dog only for advice from her and guidance.
    Since posting I've decided against the NuVet vitamins. I had them on order and then when they arrived today the listing of ingredients is too vague. With the problems he has I don't think it seems safe.
    Now that we have his foods under control and are starting to rotate we are going to introduce raw toppers. If he tolerates that we will go raw.
    I've read Dr. Dodd's book Nutrigenomics and maybe the problem is not with his proteins but with the antigens in his commercial diet.
  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    @Spacedogs -I accept your apology but probably best if we agree to disagree on this one.

    The test has proven accurate for both dogs- neither have the runs anymore so the diet isn't too high in protein. As stated above I believe it's possibly a reaction to the commercial diet he is on.

    I'm sure your Immunologist is great and am glad she has helped you. But this is apples to oranges and if you do some reading on Dr. Dodd's and Nutriscan/Hemopet you'll see she isn't some quack.
  • imBLASIANimBLASIAN
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    @Ruby - That seems reasonable. Definitely want to be careful and make sure you don't over feed vitamins as that could lead to other issues. Good luck! Hopefully you find something that works for both of you soon!
  • JuniJuni
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    I was curious about the food because I think you were interested in starting with raw earlier. I don't think it's a universal cure for these problems but it is easier to monitor what ingredients he actually gets at least.
  • rubyruby
    Posts: 175
    @Juni you are right and I agree. I didn't do it before because of a few reasons. Now we only have 2 dogs (I didn't want Simon on it for a couple reasons, he's passed now). And Drake seems better now and can have chicken this year. Everything is a process...I think we are ready to try it!

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