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Fractured Jaw
  • I couldn't find a topic on this, so I'm starting a new one. Sorry if one already exists.

    Anyway.. last night was not so great. Around 10pm I was in the kitchen getting food ready for the dogs. This is a exciting time. Well, long story short, excited Moxy (at 30lbs) knocked little Tang pretty hard. Enough that he started screaming bloody murder and pooping wildly as he raced through the house. I wasn't sure what was wrong at first. I got him on our bed to look at him. His jaw, on the left side, looked odd, but he was also screaming, so it was hard to tell. No matter where I touched him, he screamed. tail, ears, body.. screamed. I packed him up and went to the ER vet. Thankfully they are less than a mile from my house.

    At first they thought dislocated jaw and broken rib, because he kept screaming when his sides were touched. They kept him overnight on pain meds and took Xrays. I called to check up on him at 9am this morning. They got the Xrays. Ribs were fine (he wasn't screaming anymore) jaw wasn't dislocated, but there was a small fracture of the jaw. (I don't really know how small or really how bad it truly is. Discharge papers say the following " complete mildly displaced fracture of the rostral aspect of the left hemi-mandible" ) I have no idea how bad this actually is.


    Anyway, they said I could come get him.. But..

    He has to wear this tiny tape muzzle and a e-collar for the next 2-8 weeks. 2 weeks if he is healing really well. 8 if not healing well. They said they could do surgery, but they would like to avoid it since he is so small. And even better, he can't chew ANYTHING for the next 6-8 weeks. No treats, chews, toys, bedding. He is basically on kennel bed rest. I have to switch his food to canned food made into a slurry. They said as long as he doesn't chew stuff and mess up the healing, he should heal fine, though he might have minor teeth problems, but nothing serious.

    We're home now. I gave him some slurry and his pain meds and he is now sleeping in his kennel.

    We have a follow up with our vet on Tuesday.

    Has anyone been through this? I feel like a horrible dog owner/puppy mom. I'm worried how badly this will impact how socializing goes and bonding. I was planning on starting puppy classes in just a couple of weeks.

    Oh man do I feel horrible. :(

    I think overall he'll be ok. But of course I don't know and I'm terrified.

    Sad puppy..

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    Post edited by MoxyFruvous at 2014-08-30 15:32:29
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    Oh poor baby! I am so so sorry! I've not experienced this so I can't give any advice but these things happen, don't beat yourself up. I hope he heals and recovers quickly. Best wishes.
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  • That sucks, but seriously how cute does he look in his little get up!!

    Don't feel bad, my guy had a chunk of his ear ripped off in May. Its not your fault, and it sounds like your Moxy didn't mean to do it. Accidents happen, don't feel bad... just take lots of pictures so you can laugh it off later. Sounds like you have a solid game plan for him.

  • Thank you!

    Hours later now, he seems to be feeling better. He's toddling around the living room and just tried to battle the TV with little barks.

    The e-collar seems to be the hardest for him to deal with. The only reason he has it on is to keep him from ripping off the tape muzzle. My husband wants me to find a normal nylon muzzle for him, but I don't think they make them in tiny baby sizes. Anybody know if someone sells baby size?

    I'm really hopeful that in two weeks he is mostly healed. The good news from what I was told, is since he is a baby, he'll heal pretty fast.


    So tomorrow we planned a big party for all of our friends. No one knows about Tang, so I told everyone we have a surprise. I feel a little funny now because instead of "Look at our cute puppy!" It will be "Look at our cute puppy! Moxy broke him! YAAY" hahaha
  • I know they make nylon collars for small dogs, how big is his neck?

    http://www.petco.com/product/110060/All-Four-Paws-Tan-Comfy-Cone.aspx

    Petco has 15% off + free shipping with promo code holiday =)

    I can't get enough of that picture. I hope he gets better before the floppy ears become pointy!

  • Hard to measure. Looks like somewhere between 8-9 inches.

    Funny you mention the ears, they've started going up this afternoon. Might be due to the muzzle that wraps around his head. Oh well, at least I have pictures of the floppy ears.
  • Oh my goodness! I can only imagine how terrified you must have been with his shiba screams. They have to make a nylon muzzle that small... A shiba puppy and toy breeds like chihuahuas are about the same size.... Chihuahuas might be even smaller, let's be real.

    Fingers crossed for a quick and healthy recovery!!! We had a few weeks where nymeria couldn't play with other dogs/puppies, so we tried to introduce as many people we could to her during that time. Granted it's only been a month, but so far her introduction back into puppy classes has been a success.

    Heartfelt wishes for healing!
  • RikkaRikka
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    I have no experiences with this, but feel better Tang! ♥
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  • JuniJuni
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    Poor little Tang, that must have been such an unlucky hit!
    I agree that toy breed muzzles could fit. If the e-collar is bothering him, check out the inflatable collar or something I saw in a pet shop recently: comfy cone. Google "all four paws comfy cone" and you'll see.
    Hoping for a quick recovery!
  • Wow, what a terrible thing to have happen! It's not your fault at all, though, just bad luck, but poor little guy! And what a nightmare not being able to let a puppy chew!

    I hope he heals fast, and keep us posted on his progress!
  • LiloLilo
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    Poor little guy, what a nightmare... Hope he recovers as soon as possible! x
  • Thanks everyone!

    Juni, I'm going to pick up a inflatable e-collar later today. Hopefully that is less stress for him.

    He managed to get the tape muzzle off around 5am this morning. I took him outside to pee and while he was in the yard, het got the muzzle off. So off to the ER vet we went. They put a new, tighter tape muzzle on. I brought him home and he went to sleep. I don't know if it too tight now. He can get his tongue out just fine, but he hardly ate his slurry this morning and when I took him out to pee, he just kept scratching at the e-collar. I took it off to see if that would help, but nope. Then all he wanted to do was try to get the muzzle off. *sigh*


    I did some research to see what else we could try. I found something called Inter-oral Splints. I called the ER vet to see what she thought. Same vet that was there when we brought him in the first time. She looked it up and contacted the head or surgery at the clinic. The surgeon said for sure no surgery or pins. being so little, it would be a terrible idea. He likes the tape muzzle best (Which I take to mean its a bad break, but not so bad we need surgery) The Inter-oral Splint is a maybe. They said we should see a dentist to find out. So I'll make a appointment on Tuesday.

    He doesn't seem to be in pain, just upset by the collar and muzzle.

  • Passed out..
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    Roscoe keeping watch
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  • jennjenn
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    If you need a dentist recommendation, I took Rigby to one in Shoreline. Dr. Dupont at Shoreline Veterinary Dental Clinic is great, highly recommend him and he was a huge fan of Shibas.

    Tang looks so cute in his little getup, poor guy! Wishing him quick healing!
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  • Thank you Jenn! That is just who the ER vet recommended. I plan on calling Tuesday morning.
  • Update..

    So we had our follow up today.

    No new x-rays yet. The Dr. just felt and looked. Thinks its looking ok for what it is. Wants to do follow ups each week. He took pictures, I assume to aid in watching the healing progress. We have another follow up on the 10th. A dentist wasn't suggested, unless things get worse. So I don't know if I should see one as a second opinion or not.
    He went from 3.14lbs to 4.4lbs since last Monday. Not sure if that is a good weight gain or not for his age. I'm supposed to keep watch on that since he's on a slurry diet.

    The Dr. said he may not heal right or something like that. Maybe the jaw won't be the same. I don't know what he meant. I love him no matter what, but I would hate for him to always have jaw issues or be deformed. Now, the ER vet said it was a mild displaced (moved) fracture, but she seemed to think he would heal with no problems other than maybe a adult tooth that might need to be removed some day. maybe. So I don't know if I should be worried or not. If there is more I can do to help him, I want to do it. Especially if it will help him in the future.

    I've been doing some research (surprised how often this happens with pups) anyway, looking at several forum posts for other breeds and articles, I'm seeing that healing time in puppies this age with a fractured jaw seems to be 2-3 weeks. I mentioned this to the Dr. and he said lets just keep it at 6 weeks. So we'll see. Hope for a faster recovery!

    He has to be on kennel rest. No real playing. No toys. No treats. Can only eat slurry. So this is gonna be tough. Not so much for me, but for him and my husband. haha

    I did buy the inflatable e-collar. He likes it better than the cone, but isn't a fan or anything on his face or around his neck. Still using the tape muzzle too.

    So I guess I need to find ways of socializing him and playing, without hurting him even more.


    I'm curious if anyone has a suggestion for this question.. My husband and I have to drive from Seattle to San Francisco in about 3 weeks for a wedding. If he's not totally healed up yet, do you think its a bad idea to bring him with us or should we Vet him while we're gone? He does pretty good in the car and the kennel fits in the car just fine.

  • zandramezandrame
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    If there is more I can do to help him, I want to do it. Especially if it will help him in the future.
    You could see the dental specialist, if it will make you feel better. If it's something you might regret later, go for it. I probably would do the same.

    Take him on the road trip! :) As long as you'll have the time to not worry about the wedding. Since he can't play much, a trip would be a good socializing experience. And is mostly sedentary anyway. You could get a sling and carry him around to make the most of it. You'll still have the option of crating him wherever you are staying if you need too!

    We had Kouda less than a month before we went on a Thanksgiving roadtrip with hotels and lots of new sights and smells. He was a good little ambassador. :)
  • RikkaRikka
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    I'd take Tang to San Francisco, it's a perfect opportunity to take advantage of socialization!

    FEEL BETTER, LITTLE ONE. I still need to see this cute half-brother of Sagan. ;)
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  • BootzBootz
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    Take Tang to SF....to me!!! So I can cuddle with the little cutie while you party at the wedding ;)

    Seriously though, take him with you. Better to over socialize then under. Don't let this accident hold you back
  • JuniJuni
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    I agree, the trip could be a nice way to make him tired without being physical active. A lot of new things to see and smell and figure out in his little cute head.
  • I'm all for road tripping with the pup, it would be a great way to keep his mind off the injury.
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  • Thanks guys! I guess he's road trippin' with us! heh

    Bootz, if you want to pup sit while we're at the wedding, I wouldn't mind. hehe

    I made a appointment with a dentist for tomorrow at 1:30. Just a second opinion. I keep hearing the vet saying he might not heal right and it bothers me, so better we see what a dentist thinks. Wish us luck!

    I feel so bad for him. I've been told strict kennel rest, no playing. So aside from eating, peeing and coming out for pets, I'm supposed to just let him sit in his kennel. Its tough to watch/deal with. :(
  • Please post more pictures in his recovery outfit. Sooooo cute!!!
  • You got it!

    I just took these. His tape muzzle is so gross and stinky. haha It gets changed tomorrow.

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  • I would like to say, even though he is hurt and has to have all that gear on, he is so so sweet. He has already figured out sit. He can play fetch (We've given him a cat toy crinkle ball to play with and chase) and he wags his tail. I know that might not seem exciting, but Moxy and PJ don't know fetch. They don't bring things back. And Moxy only started wagging his tail at about 6-7 years old. We always figured he had a lame tail. hahaha
  • BootzBootz
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    Ahhhh tempted! Who DOESNT want to babysit a cute shiba inu puppy. When/where is the wedding?
  • Oh my goodness the gear makes him even cuter!!!! :)
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  • JuniJuni
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    That is the cutest thing ever!!!!
  • every time i see these pictures i laugh.
  • Short update.

    The dentist I took Tang to was very, very nice! The exam went well. The hospital never sent the X-rays over to them though. So I'll be picking them up and dropping them off tomorrow. but she did a exam anyway and went over the report. In her opinion, he can have the muzzle off end of next week. He'll still need to eat soft food and no major chewing for about 4 more weeks. But she said his teeth close together just fine. he is clearly not in any pain (she fiddled with his jaw and he tried chewing her and everything else in the room). She said I could bring him in a few times over the next year and she will do a free exam to make sure his teeth are coming in ok on that side. If they are not, we'll deal with that when it comes up. But in her words.. "these little guys heal so fast" . That makes me feel a lot better and by end of next week, he'll feel a lot better.

    There is a chance once she sees the xray, things will change. But she seemed happy with what she saw. So YAY!
  • sunyatasunyata
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    That is good news! :)

    Glad you went ahead and got the second opinion. It definitely eases the mind, especially when it is a specialist. Heal fast, little guy!
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  • Of course I am happy for you (and hime) as it is great news, but I am also a little sad because its less chances for pictures in his outfit =)

    Glad to hear he is healing up nicely!

  • RikkaRikka
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    Yay!
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  • jennjenn
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    Oh yay! Glad you got that second opinion!
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  • I'm not sure how to put a video on here, but if you click this link, it takes you to my Tumblr. Watch Tang battle a cat toy!

    http://terracepets.tumblr.com/post/96768674766/see-he-isnt-doing-too-bad-epic-cat-toy-battle
    Post edited by MoxyFruvous at 2014-09-06 05:13:19
  • JuniJuni
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    Haha Juni came running when I played the video, tilting her head left and right and even went to look behind the phone to find the puppy :-)
    (We are invited to my breeder today to go see her new litter- and no, we're not getting a puppy yet but I look forward to squeeze some puppy chubbiness.)
  • RikkaRikka
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    Adorable. :O

    Is Moxy limited to seeing Tang? How are they interacting so far, if at all?
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  • HE HAS THE CUTEST LITTLE BARK, OH MY GOD MY HEART CAN'T TAKE IT. ;w;

    I feel so bad for Tang, but he's so "poor thing" cute.... but he seems to be very happy and healthy!! (:
  • @Juni YAAY Have fun squeezing those baby pups! <3<br />
    @Rikka Yes and no. They still interact, but sometimes Moxy just wants to snooze on our bed. Actually, most of the time he wants to do that. So when Tang is being a rough puppy, Moxy is usually in the bedroom snoozing. He did try to play with Tang the other day, but Tang was all WHOA YOU ARE BIG AND FAST. and walked away. haha I think once Tang gets to be bigger than my boots, He and Moxy will be able to play just fine.

    @RurounilnuGirl No need to feel bad. I am sure he will be just fine. He sure acts like everything is just fine. He's currently trying to murder a paper towel. haha
  • jennjenn
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    awww, he is so cute! love that tiny little bark!
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  • Hi All,

    Tang is doing well today. We see the vet on Friday and hope to have the muzzle removed. So YAY!

    I have a question totally unrelated and I didn't want to make a new thread since I know there are a bunch of posts on this topic. But there are so many that I'm having trouble going through them for info.

    Potty issues...

    With Moxy and PJ, they very rarely had accidents, although at the time, they spent a lot more time kenneled since we were away a lot. So in house accidents were rare.

    Tang, however.. is having them daily, even with supervision. He won't show any signs of needing to go until he goes. Which is just any random place he happens to be. Yesterday he stood up (front paws on a side table) and peed all over the floor and some of my husbands books. We took him right outside. Same today. two accidents in the living room with my husband right there. He doesn't free roam the house right now. Just the living room, which is gated and he stays in his kennel at night, when we are away or when we can't be with him. I like to say Moxy was already potty trained (he was also raised indoors before we got him at 9 weeks). Tang was living outside in a pen, so he probably just went where ever he was at the time.

    Aside from going out every hour (which isn't enough for him, it needs to be more like every 20 minutes), wee pads (which are just toys to him) what else can we do to help get him trained?

    Thanks! :D
  • Most people think it's silly, but when nym was having accidents in the house everyday, we got one of those grass boxes (think barkbox but for real grass your dog pees on). We sprayed it with the potty training spray (dear god a little goes a long way) and she used it probably 70% of the time, which saved us cleaning the carpet... 70% of the time.... Which every little victory is a win in my opinion with potty training. We also put it near the door so that she got used to going over there... Now the grass is gone, but she still goes to the door when it's time to go.... Little victories, I'm telling ya. Next step bell.
  • Not a bad idea! I think it might be a issue with the other dogs and the cats (cats eating the grass) but it might be worth a shot.
    Post edited by MoxyFruvous at 2014-09-08 21:42:11
  • It could definitely get more use than intended with the other dogs as well... We knew it was time to stop using it when she used it more for chewing and less for peeing... I just highly do NOT recommend the plastic grass. Had a coworker that used that and the smell emanating from that, even though she cleaned it regularly, was what I imagine the streets of London in the Middle Ages smelled like.... Good luck!!!!
  • jennjenn
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    We got to try the Doggie Lawn for free through my blog and Rigby had zero interest in it (as an adult... I was mostly interested in trying it for the potential future puppies :P) The quality of the grass was great, and it lasted forever! I'm sure with actual use it wouldn't last as long though ;)

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  • sunyatasunyata
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    Reference the potty issue:
    I would see the vet to rule out a UTI before doing anything drastic (like teaching the dog that pottying inside is okay by using potty pads or indoor grass).

    You also need to realize that he is getting a LOT more fluids now than he was before. You are having to moisten his food and/or give him soft food. Both of which contribute to having to potty more than if he were just eating dry food alone. So yes, you will need to take him out more.

    If he is active, you will probably want to take him out every 20-30 minutes while he is on this diet. If he is napping, then you could probably go with every 1-2 hours. Watch him like a hawk and if he shows any sign at all of needing to go, take him out. When he does potty in the proper place, praise the heck out of him and give him some super tasty treats (that he can have with his broken jaw).

    Since he is coming from a kennel situation and not from a responsible breeder (who would raise the puppies indoors and start the potty training process from the time the puppies are mobile), you are going to be behind the 8-ball with potty training anyway. It is frustrating, but you can work with him and he will eventually get it. It just takes time, consistency, and LOTS of Nature's Miracle (enzyme cleaner). :)
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  • Nature's Miracle is the best invention... ever. We went through two bottles of the urine destroyer in the first month.
  • I hope little Tang is doing lots better now. He is the cutest. My heart melts when I see a black and tan Shiba puppy since I never knew my little boy Quake at the puppy stage.
  • Thanks everyone! Only one accident since I posted last. Taking him out more has helped!

    @sunyata The breeder we got him from was actually really, really good compared to the breeders we got Moxy and PJ from. I think the puppies went outside the last week before we got Tang. I know they were inside originally. I did a lot of research before picking her.
    I think one of the biggest issues is the couple of times Moxy and PJ have had accidents in the house (very rare) its been in this same room. I have a steam vac and always clean it up with enzyme cleaner. But I think the smell is still here and that is not helping with his potty training. he will go to the door sometimes if he has to go. I'm going to have the vet do a full work up tomorrow, just to be safe.

    Off topic, our neighbor just stopped by. He just got a 9 week old (Same age as Tang) female Siberian Husky! So we hope they become BFF! Moxy and PJ won't play with Tang. He tries to get PJ to play with him, but she likes playing with people more than other dogs.

    Tang gets his 2nd round of shots tomorrow (Friday) so hope we can do some puppy play dates soon.
  • Because I know you'll enjoy it...

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  • I love the "my new home is filled with weirdos who keep me muzzled but are so nice" face.

    At least he doesn't look pissed off anymore =) Just resigned to his fate.

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