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10 month old Shiba, bitey and barky
  • Hi there,
    My shiba Kota is 10 months old and is obviously still a puppy. I love him to death, but man is he super bitey / nippy/ barky. It has gotten ten times worst within the last couple months. Like he's going through his "terrible twos." I will be laying on the couch minding my own business and he will come up and nip at my arm. I'll tell him no and he will continually do it like he's playing. I've tried putting him on the ground in a submissive position and tell him no. Tons of time outs (when I finally end up catching him from running away knowing he is going in time out) where he will not have it and bark and cry continually in time out. And I just tried a spray bottle for biting and barking but he just loved it and didn't care. -___- Any one have any good tips for this kind of behavior? Also just with me and not my boyfriend he will bare his teeth and growl ferociously at other dogs--even at another female shiba that is in our neighborhood that I was so excited for him to meet! *sigh* Any tips for that? Again, I know he is just a puppy but just wanted to know if this has happened to any of you and any tips that helped so I can help Kota :) thanks guys!

    [mod edit: restored original post for clarity, changed category, and closed due to duplicate topic]
    Post edited by sunyata at 2014-06-09 18:14:26
  • There are various posts about "submitting your dog". Long and short, is its counter-productive and generally frowned upon in the forum. I wouldn't do it again (I used to do it, and now don't), and I am sure a moderator will point you to a thread as to why. =)

    No worries, you've come to the right place.

    My guess is your lil guy is just bored. Have you been sticking to the same routine/schedule? He probably needs more play time, and not just an outdoor romp, but something interactive like fetch.

    I stumbled upon this site, http://www.doggiebuddy.com/topics/Trainingtopics/traintopic3.html and think maybe there are a few your guy would have fun learning.

    I can't help with the dog on dog anger, my dog doesn't try to protect me.
  • fisticuffsfisticuffs
    Posts: 148
    I haven't searched for myself, but I'm sure there are a bunch of threads about this problem (I've seen it come up before). Have you read those yet?

    I agree with the boredom thing. Bored puppies will do just about anything to entertain themselves.
    I wouldn't use "Cesar Milan" style training on any dog for a couple reasons.
    1. I think he goes overboard with the premise of "pack mentality".
    2. I have only ever seen bad come from his methods with Shibas (the blogger at shibashake.com tried repeatedly and posted about the issues with this style).
    So, first, I'd stop trying to dominate your dog. It's just going to hurt your relationship with him and it's obviously not working anyway.

    Does he have stuff to chew on? How often do you spend time just playing with him (meaning you not interacting with anyone but him, no TV, no cell phone, no Facebook)? Nipping/biting behavior tends to be more about play than about harm. And redirection works great for teaching him the proper outlet for chewing. Has he had obedience courses? My trainer started by removing the word "No" from our dog vocabulary. It works because what not to do is a complicated idea for a dog sometimes, but showing them what to do instead works better and makes him happier and less likely to continue the behavior. Next time he's doing something good, give him a bully stick or something like that to chew on. When he gets bitey with you, calmly get the stick and offer it to him. Don't give him a new bully stick when he gets bitey (if his is done or missing, offer one of his toys), or he'll think you're rewarding the behavior. If he continues being bitey, move to make it harder for him to bite you. For example, if he's biting your hands while you're sitting on the couch, calmly stand and take a couple steps away from the couch. Don't react, don't make eye contact, don't give him any feedback at all. He'll realize that this behavior isn't going to work to get you to play. Dogs continue behavior because it pays off for them to do so - meaning he's doing this because he gets something he wants from it, like chasing him around. Chasing him is absolutely counter-productive for a Shiba because most of them like to be chased and I'd imagine this is doubly true for a bored dog. I'll bet he misbehaves to get you to "play" with him and then has no idea why he's being locked up when you catch him. Also, you're teaching him to do whatever he has to to avoid getting caught, because if he does, he's going to be punished. This is really dangerous if he makes his way outdoors....

    A routine is super useful for teaching him when play is acceptable and when it's time to relax and be calm.

    The baring his teeth and growling thing might be him being protective of you. Kiri (my Shiba) is more alert and careful if we're alone vs with a male. Have you socialized him? Many humane societies/pet stores have a free socialization hour once or so a week for dogs under a year.

    How long have you had him?
  • RikkaRikka
    Posts: 1501
    I've tried putting him on the ground in a submissive position and tell him no.


    Please stop doing this.


    he will bare his teeth and growl ferociously at other dogs--even at another female shiba that is in our neighborhood that I was so excited for him to meet! *sigh* Any tips for that?


    Um... Have you gone through puppy classes? Socializing? Any positive experiences with other dogs? Also, not all Shibas get along with every Shiba, either. :P Sagan has a love/hate relationship with new Shibas he meets.

    There are plenty of threads regarding puppies & socialization:

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/9659
    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/10627
    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/comment/126820
    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/comment/150959
    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/7710/when-does-the-biting-stop/p1

    So on and so forth...

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    Lauren, living with a 4 y/o Shiba named after a scientist. ☆
  • Thanks for all the comments. The whole putting him in a submissive position has only been going on for a week since my friend who works with dog trainers and groomers told me to do so. So I will stop doing that.
    Post edited by dogventuresofkota at 2014-06-09 15:42:53
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