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What type of leash is the best?
  • euphaireeuphaire
    Posts: 347
    Hi,
    To my surprise, I didn't find a topic that addresses this, so I'd like to start a new discussion.
    I'm shopping for a leash for my 1.5 year old shiba boy. I used a simple leather leash on Kidou and I hated it. The pulling made walking very tiring, but the most frustrating aspect was that the leash frequently got caught under his belly (his foot stepped over the leash) and I had to stop and take the leash from his underside to where it should be about 5 times per walk.
    I'm not sure if either of the problems can be alleviated by choosing another leash..
    So here's my research so far:
    This no-pull harness seems to have a ton of good reviews:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/EASY-WALK-HARNESS-Dog-Premier-Gentle-Leader-No-Pull-/380263090341

    So does this no-pull leash:
    http://www.amazon.com/Weiss-Walkie-Leash-Large-Red/dp/B004T4KVZC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

    Or this?
    http://www.rei.com/product/823441/ollydog-mt-tam-hands-free-dog-leash#reviewsTab

    All the three above are designed for the prevention of pulling. That's nice, but not essential, as shibas are not large dogs. I just really want a leash that is lightweight, comfortable to use, and does not slip under his belly/tangle his leg etc. Having to untangle the leash so often made the walk much less enjoyable.

    Or something kind of fancy? I'm a big fan of leather because it's kinder to the coat...according to a very savvy shiba owner: "Hi, for my dogs I prefer leather. It is strong and comfortable to wear for the dogs. All my harnesses and collars are underlaid with leather. It is also good for the fur....nylon often kinks the hairs. "
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/86918353/8x8-in-black-an-8-ft-l-o-n-g-8-way-multi?ref=favs_view_5

    I'm completely clueless on what to choose....
    What do you use and how do you like it?

    edit: his breeder recommends choke chain collar because he has some behavior issues during walks...I'm not sure how I feel about that? I'm just looking to see if there's alternatives that's easier for him, easier for me...so that I can try to train him leash manners.

    edit again: here's a picture of my thought process
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    Thanks a lot :)
    Post edited by euphaire at 2014-03-14 00:16:43
  • I've been wanting one of those multi-function leashes, like in your last link, for quite awhile. I like leather because it is easy on the hands, even if it gets pulled out of your hands (which it wouldn't if you had it around your waist!).

    I kept meaning to order this one, because part of the proceeds go autism awareness groups (the boy who made this particular variety is autistic): http://bellarosacanecorsos.com/BigBullyLeads.html

    None will solve pulling problems though--it's more a preference of what kind of leash you like.

    For your question teaching polite walking and the kind of collar to use, there are threads on that, and you'd be better off taking up that issue in one of the threads on the kind of collar to use. You DO NOT want to use a choke chain on a dog, period, most likely, but especially one who pulls on the leash, as you could do a lot of damage to your dog.
  • euphaireeuphaire
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    @shibamistress I didn't find any discussions that specifically talked about which leash to use...or maybe I missed it? Could you please point me to it?
    My main issue is the leash getting caught between his legs..please see picture:
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    I'm wondering if there's some kind of magical leash that minimizes this happening?
    yeah...I know what you mean. I feel exactly the same about the choke collar thing, but his breeder is very reputable and I think she knows what she's doing. Personaly I am NOT going to choose that method though.
  • I use the easy walk harness for both my dogs. It doesn't stop them from pulling on it's own but I got it mainly because it's hard to slip out of. For Oslo I also have a halti brand halter that hooks up to both his harness and the leash as he's a very strong puller. Because it sit's just under his chin he doesn't seem to get caught up in it much.

    The leash itself is just a strong fabric one.
  • No, I don't think there are any other leash threads. I meant there were other threads for polite walking and a lot for collars. Sorry that wasn't clear. :)

    And you're right....you do what YOU think is best. Your breeder may have a lot of experience, but that doesn't mean you have to adopt her training methods if you don't like them! So good for you!

    But here are some older loose leash walking threads I found:

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/4603

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/comment/124676#Comment_124676
    Post edited by shibamistress at 2014-03-13 23:43:26
  • @euphaire - not sure any leash will help train your dog not to get entangled. Your best bet is to get a shorter leash (4ft) which will make entanglement less likely.

    Maybe think about training him to detangle himself while he walks? Our girl does it automatically but we had to teach the boy, and by teach I mean mostly getting him to respond when we ask him to lift a paw. To be honest he still entangles but much less than before, but I think mostly because he watches his sister detangle herself.

    Also, what sort of behavior issues? Is it pulling, stopping, picking things up off the street? The barking you mentioned? Either way you can probably address that with teaching certain commands. As for a good quality lightweight leash, I really like Ruffwear. We have the flatout leash for our girl.

    http://www.ruffwear.com/flat-out-leash-dog-leash?sc=2&category=15

    But maybe the slackline leash would be good for you?

    http://www.ruffwear.com/slackline-leash-adjustable-dog-leash?sc=2&category=15

    Unfortunately my other leashes were bark and giggle custom leashes and unavailable now :-(

  • jennjenn
    Posts: 856
    We use this harness:
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    Wonder Walker Body Halter

    With this Leash:
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    Red Dingo Nylon Lead in 6ft (adjusts to 4ft)

    Rigby does get tangled every so often but he knows that when I step on the leash to lift his paws and untangle himself. I use a halter with him because he's a puller and I don't think its worth the risk to his neck to use a martingale collar with him. We're working on a lot of his pulling/excitement on lead issues so hopefully we'll get there someday :P
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  • NASANASA
    Posts: 189
    I would say stay away from the easy walk harnesses. Or any harness that gets too close to the under arm of you pup. It gives dogs rashes under there. It has done it to one of mine...

    4ft leash works well with entanglement. Not sure how tall you are but don't let the leash hit the ground. I say practice loose leash techniques with your dogs because any corrective walking collar/harness used by a novice is dangerous. Head halter a choke chains slip collars prong collars and ez walks are all bad if you don't know how it works...

    Hands free I wouldn't consider an option since you said he pulls , you need to learn control while walking. Which unless your the world greatest hip shaker (lame joke? Lol) you need hands for this. So I would scratch that off the list for now.

    Also I have to disagree an ez walk is very easy to get out of since there is literally 1 strap holding it up on the dog. - had a pup slip out of it. Which there in lies the problem. Make it too loose and it is easy to escape, too tight and it cuts their under arms. Look into ruff wear. Or a simple leather collar and leash. No need to get fancy especially since most people go through leashes like dog food.
  • poltergeistpoltergeist
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    http://hunter.de/en/our-collection/unterkategorien/ext/np/4/0/32244/Rope.html

    I bought this type of leash to take the puppy out for a wee. You don't need a collar/harness to put it on the dog (it's already got a loop) and so it should be easier to pick up puppy, grab leash, take outside, etc.
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  • sunyatasunyata
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    @euphaire - There are actually a couple of threads on leashes already on the forum...

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/12000/dog-leash-what-is-the-best/p1

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/10200/leash-length/p1

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/10157/what-lead-to-use-in-a-show/p1

    There are also tons of threads about collars and harnesses.
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  • FWIW I've found that the width of the leash is as important as the material. On a 1/4 inch wide leash, Banjo pulls. On a 1/2 inch wide leash he pulls less. I use a 1 inch wide leash. Be careful you aren't using something so heavy and cumbersome its annoying for the pup.

    I have no science to explain it other than trial and error.
    Post edited by BanjoTheBetaDog at 2014-03-14 09:37:14
  • jennjenn
    Posts: 856
    we've never had any rashes with either the wonder walker (which we use for walks only, we never leave Rig in a harness when he's not on lead) or with the easy walk (which we only used for a week or two before I got the wonder walker).

    he also has never slipped the harness, but he's not really much of an escape artist anyways.
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  • ToshiToshi
    Posts: 63
    http://store.ezydog.com/zero-shock/
    http://www.2houndsdesign.com/1-Freedom-No-Pull-Harness-Medium-and-Large-Breeds.htm
    I like the freedom no pull harness because the straps that go under the arms are a velvet material so it doesn't irritate that area.
  • curlytailscurlytails
    Posts: 2779
    @Toshi I just ordered one of those harnesses for Bowpi. Can't wait to try it out!

    As for leashes, I don't see the need for anything particularly elaborate. The trick to keeping things untangled is in the handler and the dog, in my opinion. Anyway, I'm skeptical that leashes with frills are really worth all that.

    The custom paracord leashes I've ordered from Shiba/NKForum user @toecari are quite durable, feel great in my hand, and handle quite nicely. As long as he's still making them, I see no reason to use any other leashes. =)

    Tony's leashes

    Bowdu and his leash from Tony
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    Bowdu 寶肚 (Shiba) and Bowpi 寶媲 (Basenji) with M.C.
    Post edited by curlytails at 2014-03-15 13:17:38
  • euphaireeuphaire
    Posts: 347
    @curlytails is your 4 or 6ft long? I will check it out.
    After a lot of obsessive research i decided on:
    A 4ft leather leash for everyday (or a custom length between 4 and 5 ft depending in my height, the shiba's height, and his walking style): https://www.etsy.com/listing/87032960/4-foot-long-traditional-leather-dog?ref=favs_view_1
    A adjustable function leash from Ruffwear: http://www.ruffwear.com/slackline-leash-adjustable-dog-leash?sc=2&category=15#item_review_average

    I think these will be good choices for me.
    Thanks guys :)
  • curlytailscurlytails
    Posts: 2779
    @euphaire The custom ones are 6' long. I'm sure he'd do 4' ones too, if asked.

    I keep a couple cheap 4' leashes in the car for emergencies as well.

    I often clip a carabiner to my jean belt loops when out for our nightly walk. This is just for temporary hands-free assistance when I need to pick up poop (slightly complicated whenever walking multiple dogs). But you've got to know that your dog(s) isn't going to jerk you around, because normal belt loops aren't exactly secure against the pull of 30 ~ 50 pound creatures.

    I like the visual diagram of your thought process.
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    Bowdu 寶肚 (Shiba) and Bowpi 寶媲 (Basenji) with M.C.
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
    Posts: 2482
    I also use the para cord leashes - my boyfriend makes them and they can be made with a variety of knots and lengths.

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    I recently asked him to create one very similar to the leather guide dog leashes that has a clip and o-ring on the handle so that I can convert it to hands-free when we hike. I simply unhook and hook it around a belt or anything else, really.

    This picture of me with Kira at a hike shows (kind of) that the leash handle is attached to my belt.
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    This picture is the same leash showing how he created it to be hands-free. He also put some nice metal beadwork on it for me:

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  • NASANASA
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    @kira_kira- I'm still waiting on mine. Lol :)

    Those custom leashes seem very durable and if I know how to make them I would. I recommend those as well. Haven't heard anything bad about them.
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
    Posts: 2482
    LOL @NASA :))

    He hasn't had to make any in a while but has recently bought new metal beads... I think he's taking a break. Poor thing has had to make 2 leashes for my best friend's two chocolate labs, 1 for my friend who has a spaniel in Cali, 1 for my mom's dachshund, 1 for a mutual friend with a chihuahua, and 2 more for our friends with 2 Bostons. That doesn't include the 3 that he made for me. I think I burnt him out...
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  • curlytailscurlytails
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    @Kira_Kira Very nice! The beads are a great touch.

    Tony customized my paracord leashes with a special loop so I could clip it around my torso for hands-free walking, when not using the leash. We do a lot of off-leash hikes, so having that feature was important to me.
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    Bowdu 寶肚 (Shiba) and Bowpi 寶媲 (Basenji) with M.C.
  • AntoinetteAntoinette
    Posts: 883
    Bump--

    I use the Kurgo Quantum leash for Quake. I bought it for him 2 1/2 years ago and it has held up very well. It is a hands free leash that can be adjusted to go around your waist, around your arm, or around your wrist. I wrap it around my wrist when I walk him. I bought it after I read here on this Forum about Shibas having a tendency to bolt. I really like this leash.

    http://www.kurgo.com/leashes-collars/quantum-leash/
  • I use the ruffwear knot-a-leash because it has a carabiner clip. I love it, it's very comfortable to hold and the carabiner locks (Otto was able to get away from another leash with a simple clip). I have both the large and small. The large one is thicker and has a bigger clip but I think it's the same length as the small. The only problem is that it doesn't have a swivel, but it's VERY sturdy and has reflective stripes.

    http://www.ruffwear.com/Knot-a-Leash-Rope-Dog-Leash_3

    I have been testing several harnesses and spending a lot of money on the process. The only one I like is the ruffwear front rage (recommended by several people here), but I think it's a bit much for the summer. I'm still trying to find a good everyday harness that won't chafe, destroy his fur or let him escape.
  • FrillfaceFrillface
    Posts: 170
    I use this leash and I love it!
    http://m.petco.com/product/109151/Aspen-Pet-by-Petmate-Mountain-Dog-Leash-in-Black-And-Gray.aspx

    Nice grip and length. I love rope-like leashes; easy on the hands, but plenty of control :)
    Post edited by Frillface at 2015-06-29 22:09:55
  • MochiCreamMochiCream
    Posts: 23
    Everyone seems to be talking about 4ft and 6ft leashes. I just got my little puppy this past weekend (11 weeks of age) and I'm currently using a 16ft retractable leash to let her explore and pull her back in.

    Is that bad? Do I need to move to a shorter leash? We're not really going for long walks, she doesn't have the endurance for it, and I am training her not to pull but I also do want her to have her exploration time.


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    Post edited by MochiCream at 2015-07-08 19:40:46
  • sunyatasunyata
    Posts: 8329
    @MochiCream - Flexi (or retractable) leads have been discussed multiple times on the forum before. The general consensus is that they are horrible leads that can cause multiple problems with dogs.

    Since the lead has constant pressure on it, it teaches the dog to pull.
    Having a dog 16 feet away from you does not allow you to have any type of control over the dog at all. This could lead to problems ranging from the dog eating stuff it should not to coming in contact with a reactive animal (such as another dog, rabid raccoon, etc.).
    If you accidentally drop the handle, the leash will retract with the handle bouncing along the ground. This can scare a dog and cause it to bolt. It will continue to bolt because it thinks the handle is chasing it.
    Flexi leads can cause injury to people and other animals, especially if it is a rope type and not a ribbon type. Google it, the results from these injuries are not pretty.

    If you want to give your dog room to roam, you should get a lunge line or other long (non-retractable) lead. I have 30 feet leads for my girls and they work great for exploring in remote areas (I have a dog-reactive dog, so she can only explore when there are no other dogs around).
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  • jaybeeayyyjaybeeayyy
    Posts: 13
    I just Googled retractable leash injuries and I am wishing I didn't...
  • MochiCreamMochiCream
    Posts: 23
    Got it - thanks @sunyata

    It sounds like some of the concerns are more relevant for when dogs are older and are able to pull harder, but training the dog not to pull for sure is one good reason not to use retractable. Mochi is really well behaved on walks and doesn't really pull at all - right now we're locking the retractable at around 6 feet or so.

    My wife likes it better than the actual 6ft lead just because the ribbon is so much lighter, although Mochi has bitten at it sometimes. I'll probably start to use the actual lead more and more as she gets bigger.
  • pyleapylea
    Posts: 235
    Can anyone recommend a climbing rope leash with carabiner? The only ones I can find seem to have mixed reviews or are way too expensive (i.e., Ruffwear).
  • LilikoiLilikoi
    Posts: 986
    I've made a few leashes with carabiners and paracord... And I've loved them. The biggest issue is finding a durable yet not too heavy carabiner. A couple I tried were too cheap or too heavy, but I eventually found some nice ones that lock. But I don't really know the difference of climbing rope. We usually use thicker paracord kind of rope for climbing. Maybe it has a different name, it's like an inch thick but woven similarly to paracord, and we just buy whatever length we want at an army surplus store. I make leashes by braiding 8 strands of paracord and do a double thick cobra braid for the handle, so they're super durable and cost like $5 to make. They're also pretty easy and just take a couple of hours. The most frustrating part is using a lock in needle to try to go back through the cobra handle to thicken it grrrr. My needle sucks and the cord always comes out lol. I also braid the 8 strands slightly loose so that they have a bit of stretch / give, so the leash isn't just jerked out of my hand if he bolts or something.
  • pyleapylea
    Posts: 235
    Omg I'm way too lazy to make one. But if you ever sold them I might be interested!
  • DaghainDaghain
    Posts: 113
    I am madly in love with the Petmate brand leash. http://www.amazon.com/Petmate-Signature-Deluxe-Leash-Pewter/dp/B00G3BJMV8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455166808&sr=8-1&keywords=petmate+leash It has a "claw" closure rather than the D-ring, which I've had fail on me. It comes in many colors. I like their harnesses too. I get my collars from http://www.3dirtydawgz.com/ because they have the coolest stuff ever. Keiko has a hot pink collar with black and white skull and crossbones on it. If you order one, get the plastic clip rather than the metal - the metal has plastic parts and it broke on me. The all plastic is much better and lighter weight.

    I have a serious hate-on for retractable leashes, as I think it teaches the dog to pull. Mine knows when she gets to the end of the leash that's it - and she stops. Mostly she's walking on a loose leash but it's good to be able to grab her quickly because we live downtown and a LOT of people drop food on the sidewalk, so... :D
    Post edited by Daghain at 2016-02-10 23:57:46
  • LilikoiLilikoi
    Posts: 986
    I think that's the kind of clasp use on the leashes I make. Like a trigger clasp or something. Idk what they're called for sure haha. I like carabiners too actually, but I thought they might be kind of bulky for a puppy.

    I would totally just make you one. They're cheap and easy to make. I wish I were closer to the shiba action, I could give it to you at a future meetup or something that way hah.
  • OrangeOrange
    Posts: 123
    My opinion on leashes - Never use a retractable leash. I hate those things with a passion. Especially in the hands of a untrained human/dog. They are just not safe in most situations. The original style with the thin lines are the worst. They can wrap and cut people pretty bad, and give rope burns. Not just the handler but statngers walking by. We have been in pet stores, on walking trails... ect... with owners/dogs who take up the entire isle/trail width and allow their dogs to block walk ways. Then the dog gets excited, scared... whatever and pulls and wraps people up. This has happened to my daughter multiple times. Strangers pay no thought and allow their dogs to wrap my daughter up. It's very dangerous and the dog owners never seem to do anything about it.

    Plus it leaves a bad suatiatuon if your dog abruptly pulls and you don't have it locked they can easily get in other dogs personal spaces with out control. Making another dangerous situation.

    The newer models with the thicker cord are a little better. But these are still dangerous and I think should only really be used if you are deep hiking or mountain climbing or out somewhere were running into others is highly unlikely.
  • ObizaObiza
    Posts: 59
    @Lilikoi and @Kira_Kira how much paracord did you end up using to make the leashes? I know it probably depends on type of weave/how many strands and of course the length of the leash but I’d love to hear some estimates. I’m considering making one myself but I’m not really sure how much material I should get. I’ve heard a basic rule for cobra stich is 1” takes 1’ of cord. But does that mean each strand needs to be 1’ or the combination of all strands is 1'? I’ve never worked with paracord but it sounded like a fun craft idea that would have a useful application.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    @Obiza - I use about 100-120 feet of paracord per leash. 50 (sometimes 60) feet of one color and 50 feet of another, usually. Then I cut each color in half so I have 4 strands of 25 feet. Then cow hitch knot them to a clasp and do an 8 strand braid for the length of the leash, and a double-thick cobra weave for the handle. They're really fun hehe. I still make them all the time for friends and myself teehee.

    The 1" to 1' thing would mean each strand needs to be 1 foot per inch. But cobra weaves usually just use one strand unless you like glue 2 colors together so you'd have a different middle vs outer color. When I get to the end of the 8 strand braid, I like lay 4 strands on each side and cobra weave over the 2 in the middle with 2 different colors. I don't think that makes much sense, I'm awful at explaining things. But the cobra handle is two toned without having to cut / splice together the rope or anything. I just make the two halves of the handle, then pull the leftover length of the cords under through the other side of the handle so the two halves come together. I should just make a video or something, it's hard to explain via text lol. Maybe I can find one that uses the same method.
    Post edited by Lilikoi at 2017-03-24 23:46:34
  • ObizaObiza
    Posts: 59
    @Lilikoi - So around how long of a leash does that make? I was looking at doing something like this video which is a 4 strand (made out of 2 long strands).

    I think what you're explaining sounds like the king cobra I read about where the two in the middle remain as the core right? Do you use 550 paracord? It seems like it's a little over kill for a leash but it's more readily accessible at most of the hobby stores in my area.

    I'm going to make the mistake of starting this and leaving to go do something else and coming back to go oh crap...which strand was this one again. Haha.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
    Posts: 986
    Yeah I use 550 paracord. I don't really know what a king cobra weave is. :)) might be it. Maybe it would be easier to explain if I learned the terminology. :P i found a video like the ones I make!! I prefer ones 5-6 feet long

    https://youtu.be/7yiNrU2m_vo
    Post edited by Lilikoi at 2017-03-25 23:21:00
  • ZenkiZenki
    Posts: 292
    damn.... I only learned the Monty Python weave. ;))
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