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What age did you notice your puppy becoming naughty?
  • NahatalieNahatalie
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    We've had Oki just over 4 weeks now (he's 14 weeks old now) and I've not noticed any concerning behaviours *yet*. He's a very confident guy, no guarding at all and will "leave it" if we pull something from his mouth. He's never been mouthy and he is perfect if we put him in his crate or take him anywhere in the car. Learns SO quickly, does only "come" when he feels like it but we knew that'd be the case.

    So I was wondering, what age did your puppy start showing signs that difficult times are ahead? What did you notice? How long did it take for the puppy to stop the concerning behaviour? How did you cope? It's just I keep hearing that Shiba pups are known for being "devil dogs" but we've not seen any of this. I'm of course hoping we lucked out and that all our hard work is paying off etc, but I still want to be prepared! Also, I suppose 4 weeks of owning him isn't long enough to tell, but it feels like we've always had him and he's such a confident pup.
  • BootzBootz
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    Yeah.... 4 weeks is too short. A dog is still considered a puppy when they're less than 1 year old...so you got a LONG way ahead of you :)

    I Suggest you read the "Common Puppy Woes" section to read up on what some Shiba parents went through.

    Also I recently made a thread called "Adult Woes" which owners share some experiences there as well.
  • jennjenn
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    4-4.5 months.

    We had a honeymoon period of about 3 weeks where he was a perfect angel. He was so easy and I was thinking "oh, people are crazy! Shiba puppies aren't terrible!" When he started teething, he growled at me for the first time. He also threw a tantrum about his collar at 4.5 months, including screaming and acting like a total demon.

    Then with the teething came the INSANE biting. He would latch onto my arm and bite down, leaving bruises. He's still never broken skin, but man, those sharp puppy teeth hurt!

    He's lucky he was such a cute puppy.
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    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
  • RikkaRikka
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    Uh, like a month after we've had Sagan. Maybe between 3 and 4 months old? Growling, tantrums, biting, ignoring, so on and so forth.

    Like @jenn said, thank god Sagan was adorable.

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    Lauren, living with a 4 y/o Shiba named after a scientist. ☆
  • Look at those faces!!! :) Yoshi is 4 months and 3 weeks old. His behavior changed enormously when he turned 3-3.5 months. Would it be safe to say that I've already seen the worst with him??? Haaa!!! I'm guessing I'm not that lucky… :D
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  • natashanatasha
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    Each shiba is an individual so be prepared for the naughtiness as well as the chance that your shiba may not be such a "devil dog" after all.
  • tatonkatatonka
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    @jenn I would find it v. hard to be mad at a puppy that cute.

    @Rikka, was worth it clicking this thread to see baby potato Sagan.

    Bad puppy? Even as a little kid Tatonka was unusually polite.
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    Monkey!
  • zandramezandrame
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    Yup, once puberty hits, the trouble begins. :)

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  • RikkaRikka
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    tatonka said:

    baby potato Sagan



    Oh my god, I am losing my shit over here.
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    Lauren, living with a 4 y/o Shiba named after a scientist. ☆
    Post edited by Rikka at 2014-01-22 01:07:13
  • jennjenn
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    dying of puppy cute right about now.
    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
  • NahatalieNahatalie
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    Cool. So on average if he's going to be a devil dog for a while, it hits a shiba around 3-5 months from what people are saying. Fingers crossed!
  • Holly showed her personality the first week she got here at a bit over 3 months. I put a collar on her and she sulked in her crate for a whole 24 hours! But after that, she was pretty good. I was expecting a lot worse with everything that I had read: chewed up shoes, furniture, etc. But for the first week, I pretty much followed her around the apartment and said "no!" whenever she got mouthy with the wall or even sniffed at a shoe. And so far, all my shoes are intact!

    But in the last 2 weeks (she's now over 5 months), she's started to figure out pieces of trash that she likes and will start taking them out of the trash can if I'm not watching. She also shows me attitude when she doesn't feel like practicing her lessons. "Down" is her least favorite. After 2 repetitions of doing it perfectly, she will do a half howl/whine and just leave the room when I ask her to do it again. I was too busy laughing to scold her...

    I have also upgraded her treats (boiled chicken and pungent cheese) so that she "remembers" recall -- which she was doing perfectly only a couple months ago.

    I can tell that this is just the begining....
    Holly's Human
  • Same as Jenn, Rikka, ILoveMyShibz, zandrame, around 4 months. Up till then Benji wasso sweet. He's still sweet when he's not doing a great impersonation of the puppy from hell.

    The damage to date is: a light raincoat, a warm raincoat (in shreds), bite marks in the coffee table and on an antique chair, 5 luxury editions of books, a couple of hard-backs, a dozen paperbacks, 3 spots of shredded wallpaper, one tv remote... Never mind all the other stuff of less value.

    He gets 2 hrs walking a day in 3 lots (not more because he's too young for more), play after walks until he's tired or bored, lots of attention, puppy classes since he was 12 weeks old. Still wants to play, all day and all night, until he drops.

    Commands? Only at home. Try 'leave it', 'this way', loose leash outside, forget it! He'll not even fetch now, though it was his favourite game until a few weeks ago. Now, if I throw a ball, he runs away with it. I gather I am supposed to run after him. Oh, well... Start again, I guess... :-t
  • Kiba0713Kiba0713
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    @Hollydog Kiba hates down too, he's better now but when we first taught it for a long time he did this move where he'd bark, jump up at us, and then reluctantly lay down.

    He also chewed up the clasps on two harnesses in a two day period. His old one, and then immediately the replacement. Nothing on tables is safe any more... (6 1/2 months)
  • ArcticArctic
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    I will mirror everyone else's experiences. Around four months or so for me. At first, I thought the same things many as many of you: Wow, Sansa is the best! Did I get the perfect puppy? I could not ask for a more well-behaved dog! And it was true, until she got comfortable enough with me to act out. Growling, biting, nipping my ankles and attacking my slippers to play, etc. etc. etc. Typical puppy woes.

    For all of you with young pups, give it a bit before thinking you won the Shiba lottery! I thought I made off like a bandit, and then she started growing up a bit. Recall was great until then, she used to come to me right away when called when she was very young. A lot of it will go out the window lol.
  • knnwangknnwang
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    Right from the get go, when I took these pictures.

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    However, when he was a little over one and ½ years, with a lot of socialization and four classes later, he just stopped the so-called “naughty” behavior. He will still fight back and put any misbehaved new dogs big or small in his place if they try to mount him. Or the occasional tantrum if he’s not getting his way, but that’s what I was expecting from a dog that was breed to think independently. Great with other puppies, people, children and babies; not so much with new adult dogs until they have been properly introduced.
  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    I have still not experienced this "naughty phase" and Kira is 7 months old. Everything is going so well - we have a nice "rhythym" to our days and there are never any surprises. On weekends, we have a hike or outing at the local park and every other weekend, we visit one of my friends that have dogs and have dinner while the dogs play.

    Kira met our friends' INSANE rambunctious Boston Terrier last weekend and growled and showed her teeth, but ended up playing with them all night. She did amazing.

    Maybe I lucked out? Or maybe it will come later for her? Anyone else have a puppy that completely passed the naughty phase?
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  • NahatalieNahatalie
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    I am in no way thinking I've lucked out yet with Oki... I'm just crossing my fingers! So far so good, but I am mentally preparing for the worst! I am assuming as he grows older he will become even more energetic than he already is, and therefore more difficult to manage. In a month our back garden will finally be "dog-proof" (as much as it can be for a shiba anyway!) so hopefully he'll enjoy expending his energy up and down the long garden. From 3 days time he will be able to go on walkies!! That will be his primary source of exercise of course.
  • LuvourSiLuvourSi
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    My Si hasn't really been in a naughty phase but has had a naughty moment that I must tell. He was around 8 months old when it happened. I was really wanting him to play fetch and he really didn't want to and to show me he ran to the ball picked it up, dropped it and sprayed on it. I couldn't help but laugh. Oh the Shiba attitude lol
  • BootzBootz
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    LOL. You won't know if you lucked out until AT LEAST 1 year of age.

    If his energy level increases, just increase his activity level as well :)

    Also look up the rebellious or fear stage.

  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    I have 5 months till I'm out of the red...fingers crossed! :)
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  • LuvourSi said:

    My Si hasn't really been in a naughty phase but has had a naughty moment that I must tell. He was around 8 months old when it happened. I was really wanting him to play fetch and he really didn't want to and to show me he ran to the ball picked it up, dropped it and sprayed on it. I couldn't help but laugh. Oh the Shiba attitude lol



    Get a chuckit thrower! You don't have to pick up the ball with your hands, you pick it up with the thrower ;)
    Hahaha retaliate!
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  • koyukikoyuki
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    Hmm Koyuki and Takeo hit their naughty phase at around 7-8 months, and by 18 months were completely different dogs-calm, will sleep inside rather than spaz out LOUDLY for hours. Although i think Takeo was 6 months old when he completely gutted a couch. The frame and lining and seat cushions were mostly intact-Everything else in a million pieces of stuffing on the floor. Little ratbag.

    Kenji is in his 'jerk' stage now, it has been increasingly worse since about 7 months old (hes 1 now). Hes just crazy and loud all the time. He never stops. Mouthy and yippy. Ugh

    Suma is 6 months old and has chewed three holes in the wall and chewed the corners off our built in kitchen cupboards (which can only be fixed by ripping out the cupboards and getting new ones). BUT with that being said shes not actually naughty yet, shes still calm and sweet. My.walls dont agree or our wallets but i think shes a delight lol
    Koyuki - red female
    Takeo- cream male
    Kenji- black and tan male
    Suma- sesame female
    Haruki-brindle Japanese Akita Inu
  • devonmlewisdevonmlewis
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    Yuki was naughty the moment he touched down on the plane (9 weeks). LOL! he was doing the shiba scream from inside his kennel at the airport! :) He loves the following: being mouthy, throwing tantrums when we move him and he's not done playing, chewing on the recliner crazily. :) He's the best boy, though! Super smart, cute, and eager to learn.
  • NahatalieNahatalie
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    I've not read much about the fear / jerk / rebellious stage but I'm definitely going to. In the last 3 days, Oki has had the odd behaviour that makes me think this stage is coming. First incident was when I took him for a quick pee up the street after getting out of the car with him outside our house, he stood still and started growling for no reason. Maybe there was a cat or fox or something that I couldn't see in the dark. Thinking about it, I was coming back from my friends and when we got out the car at hers a cat came right up to him from nowhere and hissed and spat and swiped at him before running off! Maybe he thought that would happen agsin?

    Second thing is that he's started approaching others like he's a boarder collie approaching sheep! Now, either he's starting to become a bit unsure of other dogs, or he's waiting for me to say it's ok to approach as if I say "go on then" (his release command) he trots right up to the dog and greets it normally. The thing confusing me is that he's doing with tail intemittently goining down for a few seconds, then curling again etc. Once initial sniffing has occurred he will try to instigate play, he's not at all nervous once they're close.
  • A trainer told me that dogs go through terrible twos just like when children do. I don't know how much of that's true, but both my shiba's started becoming naughty shortly after they turned 1 and calmed down after they turned 2.
  • curlytailscurlytails
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    Bowdu had waves of naughtiness. Actually, I'm not sure I'd call it naughty. I think it was just that in youth, he had periodic flareups of jerkitude.

    First wave was ~ 5 months.
    Second wave was about ~ 9 months to a year (first time he made me cry with absolute frustration).

    Then something just clicked, and at about a year old, he suddenly became downright sweet to me and anyone else in his "inner circle" of people. I thought, wow, he's outgrown his puppy naughtiness! But that was not the end, and then came adolescence and young adulthood...

    His punkass-at-the-park phase was ~ 3 years old.
    And his hormonally-influenced temperament issues at ~5 years old.

    He's pretty cool these days, way more mellow now that he's got meds and an exercise routine figured out, but there could very well be more grumpy old man attitude to emerge in the future.
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    Bowdu 寶肚 (Shiba) and Bowpi 寶媲 (Basenji) with M.C.
  • Bootz said:

    LOL. You won't know if you lucked out until AT LEAST 1 year of age.

    If his energy level increases, just increase his activity level as well :)

    Also look up the rebellious or fear stage.



    True, or really, maybe not even til two. Every one of my dogs has changed at two. I think that's when they really mature. Unfortunately, that's also when some become more dog intolerant as well. (I've noticed a lot of big dogs go into rescue at 6 months or so--adolescence, and suddenly people can't handle the big dogs they never trained, but Shibas, esp. females show up at 2 years a lot. I think that's when they've settled into who they are going to be, and it is often not dog tolerant, and people start to see fights, etc).

    Anyway, all my dogs changed at around 6 months--adolescence, when the sweet puppy (or devil puppy when I was talking about Shibas!) suddenly was like "huh, I don't need you! I'm all grown up!" and they started ignoring commands they had previously done well. One of my trainers, watching me struggle with my male Akita, reminded me though that they would come through this and start working again, and it was true.

    My shibas became a lot calmer at 1, and then had a wierd adult period of two. Toby the male was more of a bully by then, and Bel the female just went nuts and got super aggressive (that's when she nearly killed Toby). Also at two, my male Akita became less tolerant of strangers (people). My Kai Ken just turned two and he is a lot more growly and a bit less tolerant of other dogs (but is still a pretty tolerant dog).

    I will say that shibas again get sweet when they get old, if they are healthy! Toby at 10 years old is becoming more tolerant of other dogs, again, if they aren't aggressive or pushy. and he's a breeze to walk on the leash, no more pulling. He's eager to learn, and while he was never a dog that would tolerate much attention or petting, now he's happy to sit on the sofa with me and even be petted! He's really wonderful! I've long thought I wouldn't have another Shiba, but I could see adopting an elder sometime in the future...
  • TrishTrish
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    Oliver is 10 months old right now and is definitely going through his naught phase. I would say it started probably the third week he came home (so he was roughly 10 weeks old) and his naughtiness continued to escalate up until 8 months. He's curbed a lot of his bad behavior but there are days where I feel very overwhelmed with his "eff you, mom!" attitude.

    I KNOW there is a good little shiba under all the shibatude because I've seen him come out a few times the most recent being when I was down with the flu last week. He was a completely different dog... He was so well behaved, affectionate, and so attentive I almost forgot he was a shiba :P

    Well, after reading all the comments on this thread I am preparing myself for the second wave of hell. They're luck they're cute....
  • I literally just said to my husband this morning that I think Suki is going through the terrible twos. She's just shy of 3 months old. She listens to me most of the time, but she started doing this thing where she will be in my lap and leap and snap at my face. She will also sometimes bark at me when she's close like that. I always tell her no and put her down when she does it. I'm trying to burn her energy indoors since we don't have a yard and the vet says she shouldn't be walked until she's had her last set of shots. *sigh* But it's good to know I'm not the only one, though I'm nervous that it will get worse based on what you all have said. Luckily by the time she hits the age you guys have most commonly noticed naughtiness, it will be a little warmer again here and I can take her for long hikes since I only work part time. Hopefully that will help.
  • koyukikoyuki
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    @tbarski, what you have described is typical Shiba puppy behaviour and very different to what I would refer to as the jerk stage (above posts).
    Also, socialisation is paramount right now!! Look into puppy schools in your area , where you know your puppy will be socialising in a safe environment with other puppies her age. This breed needs early socialisation and continual socialisation as they mature, they are known to become dog intolerant and I can tell you from experience that the risk of having an unsocialised puppy is greater than the risk of your puppy playing with other puppies/vaccinated dogs while not fully vaccinated.

    As for when our 5 Shibas hit the jerk stage, all of them it was (is for one right now), 7 months old until around 2 years old. our Japanese Akita Inu on the other hand is such a pleasure and her bouts of naughtiness are nothing compared to the Shibas ( I measure in the amount of frustration caused).but she mouths more as an adult then the Shibas did.
    So to compare the Shibas to the JA, I have to say the JA is a lot easier to live with. Love them all dearly, but the Shibas have caused grey hairs and some choice words at times!
    Koyuki - red female
    Takeo- cream male
    Kenji- black and tan male
    Suma- sesame female
    Haruki-brindle Japanese Akita Inu
  • We have puppy classes every Sunday for at least a couple more weeks. After that, I will be doing the free puppy socialization classes at PetCo for a while after that. It helps that we have friends with playful dogs, and neighbors we run into frequently with dogs. So hopefully, she will be good. This town is also super dog friendly and there are numerous dogs parks around.
  • Kiba isnt the super curious and explore everywhere around the house type. If he has access to our room he will roll around the bed sheets and then go hide under the bed though. If he sees a barrier of some sort he accepts it and doesnt try to pass through. He is very chill and will either be chewing/playing with a toy or lay on the couch next to me.

    On the other hand, Ahri is super curious and explores everywhere. She doesnt care for boundaries or doors. She will basically climb over baby gates, stacks of boxes, go through anything she can...she also learned she can open the closet doors by pushing them. She doesnt ever stay still, if we let her outside to the backyard, she will let us know she wants back in and then 5minutes after she will let us know she wants to go back outside, or she will just roam the entire house until she finds something to chew/play with.
  • So Bruce is definitely going through his naughty phase and I believe it started a few months ago. He just turned 8 months. The strange thing is he is a complete angel outside the house and is sooooo friendly to strangers. Everyone thinks I'm being a tiger mom and won't believe the demon dog he is at home.

    He suddenly started chewing all the furniture and ripping apart pee pads again. Will get really nippy for attention and when i try to ignore him or walk away he follows me and does it more. I gave him a bully stick once and he got so aggressive that I will probably never give it to him again. Just crossing fingers that it will all get better with time.... sigh.
  • BootzBootz
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    @shibabrucewayne

    Lose the pee pads and house train him properly. Chewing on furniture can be due to boredom or teething, exercise him physically and mentally. Give him chew toys.

    Bully sticks are considered a high valued item hence the "aggressiveness". Do not ever take it away without giving them something in return.
  • @bootz the only time he has the pee pads is as back up when we are away longer than usual. He also gets plenty of exercise everyday at the dog park and has numerous chew toys. Definitely gets bored easily...
  • pyleapylea
    Posts: 235
    Ugh you guys have me horrified of the demon stage. Pylea is 5 months now and really great. Not an angel by any means, but generally obedient (for a shiba) and happy to learn new commands. Really hoping she stays that way.
  • LilikoiLilikoi
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    Ozzy is 4 months old and is becoming super sweet and amazing lol. I'm assuming this is like the calm before the storm. ;) as a young pup he's just been very curious and confident, so he's been very mouthy and jumpy and not well mannered ha. But now he's been incredible, very amicable and compliant while remaining eager. But out in public he can be less angelic haha. He is always just eager to run up to people and if they indulge him, he'll sometimes scream out of excitement because he really wants to approach them lol. He's always done this, and is a lot more willing to wait and stay calm now, but he still loses control when people are really energetic. When he's unhappy he can be a brat, but that's rare at the moment. Though I'm sure there is terror on the way.
  • BootzBootz
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    @shibabrucewayne

    Your Shiba definitely sounds bored. Need to give him some mental stimulation. Also, Has there been an emergency where your shiba had to use the pee pad? I've had situations where I get caught up at work, but even then my Shiba would not pee in the house.

    @pylea @lilikoi your Shibas are still young. This is definitely the calm before the storm. In my experience, anything before 1 year birthday doesn't count LOL.
  • niki82niki82
    Posts: 434
    Right about now...(about 6months old!) Sora loves to steal stuff when she thinks I am taking too long getting ready for our walk. Before she was nipping at our legs/ankles but has swapped it for stealing!LOL! Almost always things are out of her reach but sometimes TV remote or glasses case(that scared me i thought she was eating my glasses until I realised they were on my face!)gets left on coffee table or someone forgets to shut the doors to the rooms she isn't allowed in and she will steal a shoe or i find her getting attacked by toilet paper. ;) She can be such a cheeky naughty little shiba but only at certain times of the day. Sora's days are full of routine and structure and that helps a lot as she always knows where she stands. She is an absolute joy and we love her.
    Post edited by niki82 at 2016-04-15 05:23:24

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