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Doge meme and increased interest in shibas
  • cstrashcstrash
    Posts: 35
    I saw this article advising people against getting a shiba due to the explosion of popularity following the Doge meme.
    http://jezebel.com/for-the-love-of-doge-please-do-not-get-a-shiba-inu-1498277699
    I think the intentions are good, but this article is confusing and weird. The quote from the National Shiba Club of America is almost incoherent. I hope I'm not offending anyone on here by saying that...
    Anyway, just thought I'd share.
    Post edited by cstrash at 2014-01-19 16:04:06
  • Kobe1468Kobe1468
    Posts: 1587
    I guess the thing I took from the article is warning people not to fall in love with cute, funny online photos and run out and get a Shiba.

    The NSICA was simply suggesting to do your research, as Shibas are not a breed for the avg. person....which I think is universally supported here on the SI forum.

    Unless I misread it, I think it's actually a decent article.
    "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened."
  • zandramezandrame
    Posts: 1106
    @Arctic had a good post buried in the article's comments
    http://jezebel.com/shiba-owner-here-im-really-glad-this-article-was-writ-1503800184

    Interesting that NSICA actually said there has been a decrease in interest in the breed, despite the meme's popularity.

    But seriously, anybody doing research on Shibas will come across this forum and learn that Shibas are not for everyone. The problem is people that think themselves different from "everyone," or don't care because Shibas are so cute and hope that theirs will be an exception.
  • RAM25RAM25
    Posts: 317
    Whilst I think it's a stupid idea for someone to buy any dog based on seeing cute pictures, I don't think all this hysterical bad mouthing of Shiba's is helpful, especially by a so called expert.

    I don't know if I've just happened to meet incredibly well behaved Shiba's, but as far as my experience goes they're a lot easier to handle than a lot of 'easy dogs' including black labs (who I've also lived with and who were, if we're honest, a complete nightmare as far as training and destruction goes, and they had a great, dedicated owner). It just depends on the dog, like all breeds. Obviously Shiba's are pretty quirky and unique but I think it should be communicated more coherently that they can be a fantastic dog also (I agree that the quote in the article is nonsensical). I say this because I recently met a woman on the street who yanked her child far away from my Shiba because she'd heard they are an aggressive ferocious 'evil' breed. Also I had to change vets recently because the vet told me he would have to sedate our dog for every visit (even check ups) because Shiba's are a dangerous breed.

    We're supposed to be the advocate for this breed, the 'just say no' approach to warning people about things does not work - in my opinion this is just going to encourage would-be great owners to run a mile and owners who want an aggressive 'status' dog to start paying attention.

    Just a thought.
  • ArcticArctic
    Posts: 513
    I tried to get some useful information out there, but it's buried in the grays. I will disagree and say the article was not decent. the NSCA spokeswoman gave a rambling, incoherent response that most people not familiar with the breed did not understand. Gawker blogs get a lot of views, and I was a bit disappointed to see the missed opportunity to actually get some information out to the public. Instead, the quote from the breed advocate seemed like a "I'm sick of people asking about Shibas, get off my lawn" type of response.
  • cstrashcstrash
    Posts: 35
    @Arctic, your comment was great! You're pretty much describing my dog to a tee as well! I am glad they're advising people against getting shibas just because they're insanely cute, but I wish it had been a little clearer and not as weird sounding.
  • BootzBootz
    Posts: 3495
    @RAM25

    Damn. Is that the impression you got from the article? Or do you mean in general?

    RAM25 said:

    Whilst I think it's a stupid idea for someone to buy any dog based on seeing cute pictures, I don't think all this hysterical bad mouthing of Shiba's is helpful, especially by a so called expert.



    You'd be surprised how many stupid people are in this world.... I have many friends and family who've been wanting to get a dog. How do they decide? #1 based on looks. #2 based on size. Whats worst? they want mixes because they think they can get best of both worlds (Cute looks but small size). I even offered advice for them to research the breed for personality/temperament/health and even tried educating them about byb/puppymill vs breeders. They brushed me off like i'm some crazy dog obsessed owner....and ended up getting their dog from a pet store. :(

    I do agree though, bad mouthing is not a good thing. It is one of the many reasons why certain breeds get a bad rep. But I think overall that article just wanted to warn people not to get a dog based on pictures, and to research properly.
  • RAM25RAM25
    Posts: 317
    Hi Bootz

    I think in general I've had the distinct feeling from a lot of people that Shiba's are this insanely difficult breed and that it takes a sort of enlightened, all knowing, perfect human being to raise one that's not going to eat a small child the first opportunity it gets. Of course I'm exaggerating, and I'm probably just getting protective over my Shiba, but there is definitely this superiority complex I feel radiating off certain people when they describe their relationship with their Shiba (with the distinct feeling of 'you will not be able to handle it; you're shallow and careless for wanting a Shiba.')

    I agree that a lot of people are really idiotic with animals and can't comprehend the suffering behind byb and other awful things like that. I am all for eductating people the best we can about all these things and educating is also about being tolerant and open minded and not just writing those who want Shiba's off as 'crazy' and irresponsible, as the article seems to imply.

    Maybe I just took it the wrong way and I'm certainly not pointing the finger at anyone here, I love this forum and it's great to see people getting so passionate about their animals, but sometimes I think we have to also advocate the brilliant Shiba traits. When my puppy was small I was researching like crazy and I think some of the bad comments I read about Shiba's really affected my view of her perfectly healthy, normal, puppy behaviours and I became overly anxious that she was becoming 'aggressive'. I sort of wish I could have relaxed more at that time and not believed I had brought a small demon into my house!

    As you said, bad reputations and labels are often unwarranted and to a large degree you get out what you put into a dog. I'm sure that dogs can pick up when someone starts getting worried and anxious or even scared about their behaviours and they'll respond accordingly. I'm just concerned that too much negative press is going to hurt the breed and, ironically, could attract the very people who really shouldn't be getting a Shiba.
    Post edited by RAM25 at 2014-01-20 13:11:52
  • SayaSaya
    Posts: 6678
    Whatever that person said in " " marks was odd.. I didn't really get what was trying to be conveyed..

    Shiba inu are not for everyone.. Heck labs and golden retrievers aren't either there are a lot of badly bred dogs of those with bad temperament and health. I met some wonderful dogs of those breeds and also met some bad ones. A lot of time people thing lab or goldens make super awesome first time family pet, but they fail to realize they need a lot of training, exercise and how to properly find a good breeder. Due to their popularity there is a lot of bad lab and golden breeders who breed badly tempered dogs.

    Same for shiba inu it can be hard to find a good breeder.

    I always tell people saya is a great dog, but she is only like that because I took time to socialize her, train her and extra socialize her the day I got her.

    I inform them of rescues in need and the shiba club and also inform to please do research on finding a good breeder and meet the person at their kennel not meet half way.

    If they take my advise great if not whatever.

    Most time people just love to meet Saya they don't ask about her breed or say they want one.

    I take Saya with me practically everywhere that is allowed and she loves greeting people. coarse being B&t people think she is a husky puppy. only few think she is a shiba.
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  • lindsaytlindsayt
    Posts: 4785
    Nancy has done a lot for the breed and has been in the breed a long time. I know, having been involved to a degree with rescue myself, it does taint a lot of potential responses to queries about the breed due to the heartbreak and stress associated with it. Thankfully I have many more positive experiences with the breed from my other activities with them, that helps provide a counterbalance to the "Shibas are very difficult, just look at all the ones in rescue" sentiment. That said, there could have been better quotes chosen.

    I cringe when I see how many unsuitable owners have found these dogs from accessible places like pet stores and farms, so I don't always mind that there are some articles out there like this to help offset the cute factor. Most of my own personal dogs are very easy to live with and to work with, although they suprise me with challenges all the time (especially the badly bred one.)

    When I see face to face the very difficult Shibas from crappy breeders and hear the owners frustrations, I feel bad for them that they have never had good mentoring, and that they ended up with a sick bad tempered dog, when I know they could have had a very different experience if they had waited for a reputable breeder.

    I have a real problem with the entitled attitude many owners have to justify getting their Shiba ASAP from wherever they could find one being sold because "I should be able to have a Shiba if I want one". I don't have a problem educating people to chose a different breed if I don't honestly think the breed will be a good match for them.
    "Common sense isn't so common"
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  • natashanatasha
    Posts: 122
    @RAM25 I totally agree 100% with everything you said! Like you, I didn't find owning a shiba that difficult or daunting. Sure they're different and quirky like you said but some other breeds out there that are labelled "family friendly" are very difficult to deal with. In fact I was thinking about this before reading this article, and thought that it would be a good idea if we started a thread about how wonderful owning a shiba can be.
    A lot of shiba parents are first time dog owners and yet they seem to cope beautifully with these "challenging" creatures.
  • BootzBootz
    Posts: 3495
    @RAM25 Haha. That is the problem with reading something on the forum. It can sometimes be interpreted wrong or differently from what the writer wanted to say. BTW I wasn't accusing you of anything :) Just wanted to see it from your view.

    @Natasha and RAM25. As much as we like to brag about how nice Shibas are...Personally, I don't want to advertise Shibas. I think they already are getting too popular. The way I interpret that article is that we should spread the knowledge about PM/BYB vs reputable breeder. Any dog can be difficult regardless of breed. But I think why Shibas are labeled "not for first time owners" and "difficult" off the bat is to discourage impulse owners from buying them, since majority of the time, impulse owners get them from less reputable places.

    Maybe you guys got lucky with your shibas and they weren't difficult, but thats not the case with other people. There are many other Shiba owners I've met who had a difficult shiba, even from a reputable breeder. I am not talking about temperament. I'm talking about the shedding, the recall, allergies, and also the biting. Some of which may be easy to you and I, but can be difficult for others. Yes, there are quite a few first time owners who said their Shiba was fine. But there were many others who did intensive research and still got overwhelmed when they got their actual Shiba.
  • tatonkatatonka
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    @natasha, the Shiba owners I do know in real life all happen to be from this forum. People on this forum are pickier about their dogs and in general are willing to spend more time and effort with them, and spend more money on them.

    I have quite a few friends who have dogs. I love my friends, of course, but if these friends of mine had Shibas they would be dining on substandard kibble, completely bereft of raw food of any kind, lucky if they get more than a walk every few days, lots of days where they get no play, and probably worst of all subjected to the sort of domination/pack mentality training that most people subscribe to.

    Shibas aren't hard for people who don't have the qualities I've just described. But in my experience, the overwhelming number of people I meet and know at dog parks, and almost all my own friends have these qualities. A Shiba is going to find it tough living in these situations and will develop a crappy personality, have a crappy coat, and overweight.

    The Shiba breed is picky about food. It is extremely susceptible to being antisocial and grumpy. The way most people raise their dogs will trigger these negative aspects of the breed. In short, these people will get a Shiba for certain reasons (personality, looks) but lack the ability to raise the dog to have these abilities. I'm pretty sure that's why the breed is a "hard" one.
    Monkey!
  • ArcticArctic
    Posts: 513
    I'm with @tatonka. I will not be giving the benefit of the doubt to any dog owner I don't know. We here on this forum, discussing our dogs, the state of the breeder, breeders, food, training, play, behavior etc. are in the small minority. The vast majority of dog owners just wing it, don't read into anything at all, and don't put the time or effort into their dogs that we do. Shibas don't do well in those scenarios, and I know I am not about to start recommending them to people.
  • Another article on the Doge meme featuring someone this forum is very familiar with in southern California.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/yamamoto-597689-shiba-dogs.html
  • @natasha, you couldn't have said it more perfectly! :)
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  • jennjenn
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    As a first time dog owner, Rigby definitely has not been an "easy" dog. He may be more challenging because he was also a singleton (only one in the litter) and research has shown that sometimes singletons have a unique set of issues. I call it "only child" syndrome. If you're curious, here's a great article by Patricia McConnell on singletons: http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/sites/default/files/Bark 2003 Spring Solo-What every puppy needs from the start.pdf

    I will never recommend Shiba ownership to most people who think to ask me about it. Heck, half of them think he's half fox or some coyote/wolf dog. He was a great, social puppy but as he's aged he's changed a lot. Most of us here on the forum are a minority - most aren't going to bother doing half the research we did before AND after getting a dog, read about dog behavior, be open minded about how to raise a dog (you know, not alpha rolling and staring down your dog), etc. So with that in mind, I don't think the average person should own a Shiba.
    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
    Post edited by jenn at 2014-01-20 16:39:04
  • lindsaytlindsayt
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    I didn't know he was a singleton!
    "Common sense isn't so common"
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  • jennjenn
    Posts: 856
    @lindsayt Ha, yep! As much as he drive me nuts sometimes, I am an only child too so I guess we're a good match ;)

    ETA: Here's him + his "sibling" :P
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    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
    Post edited by jenn at 2014-01-20 18:08:21
  • NahatalieNahatalie
    Posts: 363
    Hi. If I may put my twopence worth in...

    I'm someone who almost obsessively researched the breed, and getting a dog in general, for many years. Once we decided on a Shiba, I found this forum. We found Oki through a reputable breeder and while we waited I read a lot on this forum. I did get quite anxious after reading many posts about people's difficult experiences, but in hind sight I guess that's because you're more likely to post about a concern than make a post informing everyone the dog behaved itself all day lol. I never really subscribed to alpha rolling etc anyway, but I have to say I have changed my mind about what I though "dominance" was, and learnt more about how dogs living with humans is not exactly the same as a dog living in a pack of dogs like a lot of people seem to think. I mean, how can it be?!

    Anyway. We're really pleased with how Oki is coming along. We've only had him a month but it feels a lot longer...in a good way! I was all prepared for sleepless nights, potty issues, excessive mouthing, guarding behaviours etc but we've had none of that so far. I am still cautious about how he'll turn out as I know they can change a lot, but we're doing everything we can right now and will continue to socialise him constantly. I do wonder though what challenges lie in wait! Something's bound to go wrong lol...but I fully admit I am a massive pessimist!

    In relation to the OP, what I'm trying to agree with is that I wish people did their research. Especially about where they source their puppies. It makes me cringe thinking of the way breeding animals at puppy mills are kept, and more so when people are made aware of this then go ahead and buy a puppy from these places anyway. So I hope the doge is just a giggle (or annoyance to some!) and I hope there aren't too many stupid people who will go out and get one on the back of an internet meme and get a doge...
  • RAM25RAM25
    Posts: 317
    Well maybe I'm just a lot more of an accomplished dog owner than I give myself credit for! I was pretty obsessive with research (still am for that matter) and I do spend pretty much all of my spare time entertaining my Shiba. I wouldn't dream of not giving her at least 2ish hours of walking a day, even in the winter. My Shiba is a massive attention seeker, I can't see how people could do anything but spend all their time on their Shiba's! But then again I'm fortunate enough to be an educated and well informed person who wouldn't dream of mistreating an animal. I tend to chalk it up to luck (and as I stated above, that Shiba's just aren't that 'difficult') that my Shiba is such a good girl but thinking about it more I guess it's possible that she's really good because of the effort I've put in. It doesn't feel like work or effort to me one bit because I enjoy every moment but yeah, I can see how some people wouldn't. That combined with a dog from a bad background with health and temperament issues is probably a recipe for disaster.
  • There have been many times where I have had to remember that the way I am with my dogs is not the norm. Im like you @RAM25 in that I dedicate a lot of time and energy into giving my dogs a balanced healthy life. Its not work for me either. I enjoy it immensely and in my mind its just what you do when you have a dog. And therefore I don't experience the same issues that most dog owners do. I did a ton of research before adopting Tobi and I'll admit that I was really intimidated. But I pressed forward because in the end I truly believe that any joe shmo can have a great dog if they are willing to care enough, put in the effort to educate themselves and work hard at it. I don't post often but I am constantly on this forum, reading every post I can find. I have books and have built a relationship with a dog behaviorist who loves Tobi, has owned many Shiba's herself, and is there for any questions I've had. I take Tobi to training classes where he can have fun and make sure I spend time every day teaching him games that use his mind. As a result, my fearful and neglected 15month old Shiba is doing amazingly well. He is a joy to own and has been very teachable and responsive. It helps that he has incredible breeding behind him and his natural temperament is amazing but he had been through a lot before I got him and has some real issues.

    I guess my point is that this isn't rocket science. Ive never had a Shiba before and there definitely has been a learning curve, but I've proven that If you are dedicated to educating yourself and humble enough to learn, you can raise any dog to be fabulous. The problem is that most people don't want to do what it takes. Im living with a roommate right now who's Britney Spaniel is never walked and her nails have NEVER been trimmed and she is 3yrs old now!! She never gets to go anywhere and spends much of the day in a kennel. I of course have done what I can to take care of this dog and educate my roommate but, you guys, she thinks that these basic things are only what "crazy dog people" like me worry about. Most people think this way, so I am glad that people are being real about what it takes to own a Shiba. I tell everyone that ooh's and ahh's over Tobi, asking where they can get one, that they REALLY need to do their homework and know what they are getting into. I feel that way about anyone wanting any breed. I feel like protecting Shiba's against potential bad owners is a valuable form of breed advocacy. But again, for those who did get a Shiba without really thinking about it and are now overwhelmed I just want to say - you can do this! There are so many recourses that can help you. Just put in the time and you'll get the results.
    Post edited by Lindsayb at 2014-01-20 22:33:42
  • ddavidddavid
    Posts: 94
    I love my Shiba, but those that have no confidence in themselves how to handle a dog, I say this. If you want a dog that looks at you, wiggles their tail, and those eyes say:
    What can I do for you master? - get a lab. If you can handle a dog who comes up to you, wiggles their tail, and that cute face says: What can you do for me ? - get a Shiba.
    Post edited by ddavid at 2014-01-21 04:31:42
  • ddavidddavid
    Posts: 94
    Group saves, warns of 'devil in disguise' dog breed
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/yamamoto-597689-shiba-dogs.html

    Mosako is the owner of Saving Shiba. If you are looking to adopt & rescue a Shiba.
    https://www.facebook.com/SavingShibasInc
  • SayaSaya
    Posts: 6678
    Shiba inu do have bad qualities even though Saya is great and friendly or aloof to new people some people she doesn't like so she gives them the aloof treatment..

    Being out in public brings a lot of attention to the breed. These people didn't see her when she was a puppy who was really mouthy and bitey. they see her as a mature 4year old.

    Shiba do have bad rep at vets, but I'm glad my vet didn't try to put Saya in a muzzle. coarse he know at young age and she loves the vet. Not all do and need to be muzzled.

    I do agree with Artic and Lindsayt

    I've seen a lot of bad owners of every breed and it does put damper on my spirits at times, but still If someone asked me what is bad about the shiba breed I'd tell them exactly what.

    High prey drive, independent, snarky, dog reactive, selective hearing, aloof, mouthy, sheds a lot I need print pic of Saya's shed fur I collected from one shed season that usually helps show how much she sheds that doesn't count the stray fur that gotten into couch, carpet, bed, her bed etc..

    coarse some of those can be pros to, but depends on the person. I love spitz breeds shedding doesn't bug me and I find her behaviors great.

    Sadly like other say the majority of people don't do any research on the breed.

    I see new shiba owners on FB group ask is there way to minimize shedding..

    Shedding and shiba is a package deal no way to stop it. good diet and salmon oil might help little or keep fur in good condition, but it won't reduced or stopped.

    Just get better on cleaning is all I say brush little bit daily and bath when it gets bad.

    I think some of us are lucky with good tempered dogs, but not all our and gotten not so even tempered shiba.. Saya as puppy was super confident never acted like she missed her siblings like Bella acted. Wasn't afraid to meet new people etc.

    When people ask about Saya I say how she is way she is due to the work and socialization I put in her plus gotten her from a good breeder. I tell them a quick run down on bad of shiba inu too so they know about it and how it is important to get one from good breeder. If they're actually interested I usually tell them about the breeders I know which are good so they have few places to look at. No breeders in my state, but few good ones in neighboring one.

    When ever I go out in public I do feel like I'm a zookeeper explaining the animal I got.. People are always interested in knowing about her. I guess since I'm still young I don't mind answering their questions and informing them of the bad parts and the good parts. Yes it does get annoying especially if I'm in hurry or something it seems people know when I'm heading to the car and come to see Saya then instead of seeing her when she is waiting with me to buy the food at farmers market. Still I stop and help give info and stuff.

    I think it is good to warn others of shiba bad qualities it makes new shiba owner prepare more. Shiba inu can be bad dogs if not socialized, trained and treated right. Most people want a quick fix that they think would fix the issue, but for shiba it would most likely make it worse.
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    Post edited by Saya at 2014-01-21 07:51:48
  • natashanatasha
    Posts: 122
    I agree with what you guys are saying, not everybody's shiba experience was the same. As far as the effort that most people on this forum put into their shibas, I feel that this is the amount of effort one should put into owning any dog breed, even the so called easier ones.
    At the end of the day I also think that different people are attracted to different dogs, so it depends on your personality as well. Someone could raise a shiba and feel it was not that difficult, but the same person raising a lab for instance could find it very hard and even unpleasant. I do understand the point being made that people shouldn't choose a dog on looks alone.
  • ddavidddavid
    Posts: 94
    My vet knows Shibas. We couldn't get a muzzle on him to take the stitches out. Four of us holding him was fruitless. Strongest, wiggliest, & determined dog I've ever seen.
    And his singing cry blew us away. This vet finally said: Forget the muzzle. He had all his shots, removing stitches, sticking something in his ear checkup, and all else like a brave dog, but he did bark a dozen times with each painful endurance.
    We weren't there for his teeth cleaning. But presume they just shoved needle in his butt without a muzzle, and put him to sleep. Contrary to what people say, I chose a Shiba because of his looks, I wouldn't have it any other way, yet I studied the breed prior and didn't scare me. I want what I want, I have a little Shiba in me.
  • BootzBootz
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    @ddavid I think there was some misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure everybody here got interested in Shibas because of their looks first.

    But what we are saying is NOT to choose a dog SOLELY based on looks. There are impulse buyers that buy since they are cute, but don't do the necessary research on the breeds' background.
  • It was an interesting article, but yeah, the part in quotations was just inexplicable. Frankly, I'm all about discouraging people from getting Shibas. I think everyone should read the Misanthropic Shiba http://shibainus.ca/tms-in-a-nutshell-or-blast-from-the-past/

    Why? Because most people can't handle any dog well, let alone a difficult breed like a Shiba. I know some people here don't find the Shiba difficult. Perhaps that's because the owner is very dog experienced. Or perhaps they got incredibly lucky with their Shiba (I should say luck + research: these people usually went through an excellent breeder which they found through research, and still got lucky, because even a good breeder can produce a sharp dog). Many people who find their Shiba easy also only have one Shiba so have nothing to compare it to. Many people have found their Shibas so easy because there Shiba is under a year old. (Though frankly, I think the puppyhood is the hardest part--though the dog intolerance that later develops is more challenging for some people).

    However, most people, esp. people who get a dog because they see a cute pic online, are NOT going to get lucky. They're going to get a mill Shiba or a rescue Shiba, and frankly? Some of these dogs are so far from what a Shiba should be that's it not even really comparable. They will struggle--a lot. Or they are simply going to be overwhelmed by a regular Shiba doing Shiba things. I mean, come on! We're all on this forum here--how many people are really struggling with their dogs? I find it absolutely astounding when people say they don't think Shibas are difficult: I think, really? Have you been reading the forum? Most people still expect dogs to be biddable, and Shibas, unlike labs, are not. (Actually most people don't even know what biddable means and how it is different than intelligence, but most people struggle with a dog that is not biddable).

    I'm an experienced dog person. Experienced, also, with many of the Nihon Ken breeds, and I've also had other breeds (mostly spitz type, but also a pit mix and a GSD). I have a lot to compare to. I've had one Shiba from a good breeder who is pretty typical of the breeder (if sharper than average), and one nightmare Shiba. And from all my experience? Shibas are far more difficult than average as a breed. More difficult that some of the other NKs (Akitas and Kai Ken anyway). I know a lot of people who breed Akita (thus experiened dog people) who would never have another Shiba.

    Bottom line? I never recommend them as a breed unless I know the person is experienced and/or exceptionally committed and open minded, and able to really educate themselves well about dogs. I'd recommend an Akita over a Shiba to the average owner.

    I'm not even a breeder: I'm just someone who loves NKs in general, and is utterly devastated with how badly this breed has fallen apart due to puppy mills and bad breeding. I believe we do a serious disservice to the breed we purport to love if we do not, in fact, discourage the average person from getting a Shiba, and if we are not super clear about the ways in which they can be difficult.
  • tatonkatatonka
    Posts: 1210
    ddavid said:

    a dog that looks at you, wiggles their tail, and those eyes say:
    What can I do for you master?


    I think I'm at the point where dogs like this bother the F out of me. They will come up and lick my hands or nibble on my toes or whatever and all I can think of is pushing it away. :|

    "Why can't you just be like my Shiba??" I think...
    Monkey!
  • zandramezandrame
    Posts: 1106
    tatonka said:

    I think I'm at the point where dogs like this bother the F out of me. They will come up and lick my hands or nibble on my toes or whatever and all I can think of is pushing it away. :|

    "Why can't you just be like my Shiba??" I think...


    LOL! This is Kouda's favorite thing to do actually, he's a big kisser. LOVES people. Other dogs, not necessarily.
  • tatonkatatonka
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    Haha no but I love Kouda.
    Monkey!
  • Kobe1468Kobe1468
    Posts: 1587
    Bootz said:

    @ddavid I think there was some misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure everybody here got interested in Shibas because of their looks first.

    But what we are saying is NOT to choose a dog SOLELY based on looks. There are impulse buyers that buy since they are cute, but don't do the necessary research on the breeds' background.



    Thank you! So very well said!
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  • ArcticArctic
    Posts: 513
    @shibamistress, I have much, much less experience with you in all things related to dogs, but you basically summed up how I feel about it. Most people can't handle a biddable, "typical" dog. Most people won't be on forums or going that extra mile for their dog, which is fine for some breeds, but not really the case with Shibas. I always make sure I'm perfectly blunt about stuff like this when people ask me about Sansa on the street.
  • RAM25RAM25
    Posts: 317
    I guess my obsessive nature has finally paid off! My Shiba is from reputable breeders (does have a dodgy knee thing going on though - tests, x-rays etc. scheduled for March) and it's no exaggeration to say I spend all my spare time with my dog (or if I'm out, late at work for example, my husband is with her or sometimes on rare occassions my parents and sister will watch her for an evening). We exercise with her like crazy - I'm training for a marathon at the moment and I take her on all my warm up walks/gentle jogs (no extended time jogging until knee is assessed). Her diet is good and she gets prompt veterinary attention whenever there's an issue (or whenever I'm paranoid and overreact).

    I guess we must have got lucky with her as well - she's not become dog reactive yet (she's a year and 3 months) so I'm anticipating that at some point...Our breeders did tell us that her Grandfather was a really difficult Shiba but they said he was a show dog his whole life and didn't get the right attention from loving owners ever (he didn't ever belong to them and they didn't breed from him).

    My standard response when people exclaim 'She looks like a fox!' is to say 'She behaves like one too!' so I am realistic with people about their quirks...
    Post edited by RAM25 at 2014-01-22 11:09:41
  • RAM25 said:

    My standard response when people exclaim 'She looks like a fox!' is to say 'She behaves like one too!' so I am realistic with people about their quirks...



    I am going to use that, it's perfect!

    When I was a kid people would compliment my dad on his Malamute. If they gushed about how cute Elmo was then my dad would smile and give them the running total for training and damage, saying it didn't include room and board, and tell them they're better off adopting a teenager.

    RAM25's method seems quicker and more effective.
  • RikkaRikka
    Posts: 1501
    Arctic said:

    Most people won't be on forums or going that extra mile for their dog, which is fine for some breeds, but not really the case with Shibas. I always make sure I'm perfectly blunt about stuff like this when people ask me about Sansa on the street.



    Same.

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  • Kira_KiraKira_Kira
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    People's attitude towards dogs in general annoy the piss out of me.

    A friend I went to high school with posted a status to the effect of:
    "Anyone know where I can get a puppy? My child really wants one and it's driving me crazy"

    I was already irritated with the fact that she was looking to get a LIVING ANIMAL just to appease her child. I decided to resist and play along...
    My response:
    "Go to the local animal shelter or SPCA and adopt a puppy or dog and save its life"

    Another friend of hers posted:
    "Really, I still have the puppy that you gave to me that you didn't keep because you couldn't have a dog where you lived?"

    My friend:
    "(The child in question) didn't like her and we are moving"

    My response:
    "Just curious, what happens if your child doesn't like the new dog or puppy?"

    My friend:
    "Oh she will, I will let her pick it out"

    I stopped responding before I said something hugely inappropriate but well deserved...

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  • ddavidddavid
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    @Kira Kira
    Those are the type of people who don't deserve any dog, because they put themselves above a dogs needs. I guess that's were the saying comes "it's dogs life".
  • Kit_Keet_Kit_Keet_
    Posts: 206
    That whole quote was more than a little confusing. I think it's easier, coming from the perspective of actually owning a Shiba, to understand what Stines might be trying to say with the dog/cat dichotomy there. That being said, no run-of-the-mill person who is trying to decide whether this is the right dog for them is going to read that and think, "gee, maybe I better do some more research on the breed."

    On a completely unrelated note, I was more than a little put off by some of the comments. I get that people are always going to be pro-adoption and I think that's wonderful, but not at the detriment of purebred dogs. Our second dog is a mutt adopted from a local humane society and I love her dearly. That being said, I have absolutely NO regrets about first purchasing a purebred dog. The idea that mutts are somehow "healthier" I think is also dangerous to use as a selling point. They can have just as many issues as purebreds, and more, if the breeds that make up their genetics are pre-dispositioned to have certain problems.

    I don't know, I guess my major point is that I think adopting/rescuing a dog and giving an animal that truly needs a loving home is wonderful... But I also think that if someone is concerned about their future pet having certain personality or physical characteristics, that there's nothing wrong with them having purchased a purebred dog either.
  • ArcticArctic
    Posts: 513
    @Kit_Keet_, if you're talking about the article on Jezebel, yeah the comments are always always always viciously anti-pure-bred and anti-breeder, full stop. That's without qualifications, for the most part. I have gotten into arguments with people several times (arguing on the internet, very smart, I know LOL) but they won't budge. Everyone on there will rake you over the coals if you admit you bought a dog.
  • Luckily there are still young people like me! I'm well aware of the shibe-doge inner thought meme, I come across it FREQUENTLY. Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's annoying.
    Actually, I kinda started to like shibas before I knew about the meme, I was reading up on dog breeds (actually helping my friend to find a suitable dog for her lifestyle) - long story short, I really fell in love with this breed when I visited Japan. All the shibas there were exceptionally friendly and outgoing! It was when I got home that I began to do more research on this breed and discovered said meme.

    I do get a lot of friends asking me if I want a shiba inu because of this meme and I find that question extremely annoying! As if I'm that irresponsible! Bah!

    Oh, and @Kira Kira - I would so go off a rant with that woman! Luckily all my friends are sensible and do their homework before getting a dog! Even my friend who was looking for a dog, I told her to really look into breeds, shelters and what suits her lifestyle, which she did an excellent job of!
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  • Kit_Keet_Kit_Keet_
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    @Arctic, ahhhh good to know! I didn't start an argument with anyone, but sometimes it's so hard not to!!!
  • Kit_Keet_Kit_Keet_
    Posts: 206
    Weeeellll, so there's this. http://www.mst.edu/ It's only up for April Fool's (as far as I know).
  • SayaSaya
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    Love it. haha
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  • TheloniousThelonious
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    I just don't understand why such negative articles exist regarding Shiba Inu's. Most are from people who never had one. Yes they are not for everyone but isn't a Great Dane or a Shepard, mix breeds or even a beagle for everyone? Some take more time to train and some less just like any dog. My shiba is great with just about anyone once she gets to know you. She never bit anyone and she does give you signs she wants to be left alone. Except those living in the home. But Loyalty to the family is like no other. We leave her alone pretty much when we go to work and my daughter to school. A few toys, treats and her daily naps I have come home to a clean and tidy home just like we left. She loves her daily walks and play in the back Yard. No problems. Just a great dog and I have had a few in the past.
  • shibamistressshibamistress
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    I just don't understand why such negative articles exist regarding Shiba Inu's. Most are from people who never had one. Yes they are not for everyone but isn't a Great Dane or a Shepard, mix breeds or even a beagle for everyone? Some take more time to train and some less just like any dog. My shiba is great with just about anyone once she gets to know you. She never bit anyone and she does give you signs she wants to be left alone. Except those living in the home. But Loyalty to the family is like no other. We leave her alone pretty much when we go to work and my daughter to school. A few toys, treats and her daily naps I have come home to a clean and tidy home just like we left. She loves her daily walks and play in the back Yard. No problems. Just a great dog and I have had a few in the past.



    Actually, that's the point of a lot of these articles and was certainly my point earlier: they're NOT just like any other breed. The average dog owner can't handle a Shiba, especially if their expectations are shaped by a more biddable breed. And frankly, I think the rising popularity of the breed is really doing a lot of damage to the breed. :(

    yes, every breed is different and has their quirks, and people should spend a lot of time researching possible breeds. But Shibas are, also, more difficult than a lot of breeds.
  • ShibaLoveShibaLove
    Posts: 554
    I think everyone has made great points here.
    1) Shibas are not for everyone and people should do their research on them (too bad most people don't, especially the bad future owners, the good ones will)
    2) We have a biased representation of dog ownership for the most part on this forum because we are here doing research on the breed, their diet, etc. and take better care of our dogs generally.
    3) I do not think a bad reputation for Shibas is the way to discourage people though.

    I do find the doge meme thing annoying though. I have had Nikko for 8 years now and preferred it when not many people knew what he was, now I get all of these people screaming "It's a Shiba!" at me :-/

    Also I am involved in the rescue group here in Texas and I can tell you that the doge meme definitely increased interest in adopting Shibas. Not from the right people though. These are people that post on facebook that they want the dog, yet have not gone to the website to read about the adoption process or even filled out an application. When told to fill out an application, they then badger you, hours later, every day asking why haven't they gotten their Shiba Inu yet!! They are automatically put on the "No" pile. We screen for the best home for these dogs. We do not just give you the dog because you said you wanted them first. Damn doge meme.
  • Kit_Keet_Kit_Keet_
    Posts: 206
    The other issue with the doge meme, which I think has been discussed above, is that the people who see it and want a Shiba because of it are not willing to do the homework on the appropriate places to get a Shiba either...

    My fiance and I were recently talking about his friend's sister who got a shiba in November/December...From a pet store. The puppy is clearly either not a purebred or a poorly bred, mismarked Shiba. Just in the last few weeks she found out he has a llloooonnnngggg list of allergies from food, to environmental, to literally the sun. The sad thing is, although I don't know her well, her brother is my fiance's best man and Jeff would've been more than happy to answer any of her questions about the breed.
  • I get that question a lot. Since I have a B&T and most people know Shiba's from the meme, they ask if he is purebred. The quick answer I give them is "B&T are the ginger's of the shiba world" (gingers for those unfamiliar are humans with red hair and freckles). As in its a rewcessive thing.


    WHen someone says "I want a shiba", I immediately say "no you don't" and explain the nightmare that is a shiba if you don't know what it is you are doing.

  • EmilyRubyEmilyRuby
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    Ever since I got Ruby, now 13 weeks, a lot of my friends have shown interest in getting a Shiba. Immediately I also say, "no you don't". I also explain the Shiba personality to them and the difficulties in training them. They are only so cute so we still love them after they ruin a kitchen rug :p

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