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Shiba not interested in RAW diet anymore?
  • neil1138neil1138
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    Post edited by neil1138 at 2013-06-22 18:05:30
  • CaliaCalia
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  • redcattooredcattoo
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    Both my boys who switched to raw about 2 months ago have diminished with eating. I was feeding twice a day. Both these past two weeks have been skipping meals. My Shiba who calculates for 32lbs is now eating maybe 50% a day of the average intake and my mix who calculates for 65lbs is also eating maybe 50-70% of his daily average per day, which I use 2.5% for the calculation as they get treats for training and are of average activity levels. Both though have no other issues, poos are still good, activity is still good, and our routine is the same as usual.

    I think it is just summer as that is the biggest correlation to their eating change I have seen. They get 15-20 minutes then the food is picked up and offered with new food in the next meal.

  • CrystalWolfCrystalWolf
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    I don't feed raw, but grain free kibble riku is 5 months and has begin to not eat as well. This has very much worried me and was going to call the vet Monday. But it seems by what everyone is saying it is common for shibas to eat less on hot days? It has been high 80's almost to 90 degrees. Right now it's 81degrees in my house. So I shouldn't be concerned by this and it's natural behavior?
  • shibamistressshibamistress
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  • SayaSaya
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  • I have read that shibas get bored easily with things so you have to throw in new things now and then.
  • neil1138neil1138
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    Thank you guys for the prompt replies!

    @redcattoo, Hanzo is pretty much the same. Still very active, poo looks good and I haven't seen any changes in behavior/demeanor. He is maintaining 26.5lbs pretty well.

    @shibamistress, I feed Hanzo twice a day: at 6am and at 5pm. I've tried feeding him once a day (in the mornings) but he's always been hungry by dinner time so I've stayed with the twice a day schedule.

    The Houston summer heat might have something to do with it. And I will try to be more vigilant in picking up the food when he doesn't show interest. I'll keep watching his eating habits and report back.

    Thanks guys
  • amtiamti
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    I also started raw about the same time and I'm in Austin. I do think this heat has something to do with curbing their appetite. I started feeding once a day about two months ago because I can give one bigger portion instead of two smaller meals. Both have days when they aren't as excited to eat, but somehow they always finish their foods. Yesterday, I gave both a full chicken quarter and they at it all. Today was just a drumstick and a the leftover of a huge rack of beef bones. They loved the beef bones (I'll post a pic of it on the raw thread). I think eating large stimulates their minds and makes eating fun and a challenge. So I am going to try to give at least one big meal a week instead of trying to give a few smaller meats to give variety at every meal. In addition to the one meal, they get a frozen treat when we come in from our morning outing. I've been giving frozen turkey hearts the last few days, so they are a couple of mouth fulls.

    I've also heard it is good for the dogs to miss a meal about once a week. I did that when my boys were eating two meals a day, but it is harder when they only get one meal. I try to stay at 1/2 lb for my boys, but am usually over.
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    Since the heat of summer is upon us and as I noted my dogs have been skipping meals, I have gone to offering 25% of their daily meal in the morning and 75% of their daily meal in the evening. They really don't seem interested right now in the morning meal and often don't even eat the 25% offered. They also sometimes only eat part of the evening meal, but they seem not to be skipping it (yet -- we only started this now less than a week ago).

    I agree though if you only feed once a day it should be later in the afternoon or early evening as this is when it seems my dogs are more interested.

    I have also heard it is good for the dogs to fast once and awhile, I don't make it a routine though as they seem to self chose this process right now.

    I never leave the food out, they get 15-20 minutes to show me whether they are going to eat or not, if by then they are just laying staring at the food still it gets picked up until the next meal.

    I think my biggest concern with this change in recent eating habits is keeping the 80%/10%/5%/5% balance and variety of protein I want to achieve over time. I am afraid if they are too picky that the balance will throw off the nutrients they need from the variety.
    Post edited by redcattoo at 2013-06-24 13:14:21
  • shibamistressshibamistress
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  • amtiamti
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    Shibamistress, I hope Bel's appetite picks up a bit.
  • tatonkatatonka
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    Post edited by tatonka at 2013-06-25 14:49:38
  • zandramezandrame
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  • JuniJuni
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    Since I have a skinny little thing who is very fussy I cater to her whims quite a lot...she's fed pre-made raw but nowadays I mix in some cooked meat too sometimes. I think cooked meat smells more and may be more appetizing. I try to vary the food and it seems to keep her more interested. I also think the weather affects them.
  • tatonkatatonka
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  • zandramezandrame
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    @tatonka, oh really? Hmm. But sounds like his is not bad enough to be a problem? Our mistake early on was to think Kouda just wasn't interested in the items and try to remove them. Then he would lunge at the approaching hand - no contact, but clearly not disinterested. Then the issue becomes: do you continue removing the item and fulfill his fear that it will be taken away; or give it back and validate his guarding?

    (Sorry for going off-topic!)
  • redcattooredcattoo
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  • JScarf5JScarf5
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    Not to get off topic but, youre in Houston?! Us too! We should meet for a play date!! Message me if you're interested :) Ok sorry back to your original post now....
  • shibamistressshibamistress
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  • @shibamistress - do you think hand feeding will help? Our girl will sit and not eat but it's not because she's guarding, it's because she became accustomed when young to being hand fed her raw. It's a pain really. She'll stare at you until you pick it up and hold it for her.
  • tatonkatatonka
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  • neil1138neil1138
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    An update:

    Since Hanzo had completely lost his appetite for raw, I switched him cold turkey to wellness core for a while. He enjoyed it for about a whole bag but now refuses to eat the dry food. Luckily, he is once again jumping up and down for raw. I guess he realized that it is much tastier than other options!

    I will continue to monitor his eating habits.
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    @neil1138, my picky eater seems to be doing the same thing. He would get real picky with kibble, he jumped on raw, now he has lost weight because he isn't eating enough raw. Waiting him out a few meals doesn't work as he will eat one skip 2 or 3 so ends up maybe eating on average over time 1/2 or less of what he should be. Luckily he started a little heavy at 35 lbs even though it was fine on his tall frame, but now that he dropped closer to 29 lbs I am trying to figure out how to get creative to keep him eating. It is summer, he is less active, but I still don't want him too skinny or lacking valuable nutritional needs. He may never just be on one diet, like you at some point I may go back to kibble for a month or so. Haven't really decided as he has ate okay this week, but I am concerned about his weight loss.
  • RikkaRikka
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    Post edited by Rikka at 2013-07-21 16:47:02
  • amtiamti
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    Kaji and Taisho have both gone through phases of showing little interest in eating raw. But both mine left food in the bowl when they got full with kibble so when they don't eat all their food, I am not too worried. They are self regulating as long as it isn't every day. I did notice with the hot weather, both aren't eating as much. I'm trying to get Kaji up a few pounds so I've been feeding him more skin and fatty meats. I used to take off all the fat in chicken but don't do that for him anymore and give him the skin from Sheba's meat.

    Mom says Taisho won't eat chicken at her house anymore and will only eat beef. Well, I fed him chicken the other day and he ate it all. So I wonder if a change of scenery or having company for dinner stirs up the boredom a little and gets them eating again. I noticed also with Sheba here, Kaji is eating well again. Last night I gave him a whole chicken for the first time and he ate the ends of the limbs and got tired of it. So he came inside and Sheba got to eat. She didn't eat much either. I think the whole bird is exciting for them, but a little too overwhelming in terms of not really knowing where to start. I'm giving it to them again today (and tomorrow). Now that it is 100% thawed, it should be easier. And since they didn't eat much last night, I'm sure they'll be a little more eager tonight.
  • JasonWJasonW
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    Just wondering - did you guys experience a permanent drop in your shibas' appetite, or did you resolve this, or did they just go back to normal after a few days or weeks?

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