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Crossroads... can't decide on puppy or older shiba
  • ashley15ashley15
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    Post edited by curlytails at 2013-04-10 19:07:03
  • sunyatasunyata
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  • BootzBootz
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    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/5137#Item_36

    A thread that touches up on the idea of adult vs puppy (although it includes rescues as well).

    My opinion...since you live in an apartment or is going to live in an apartment according to your posted, I would go with the adult. Simply because you'll know the shiba's habit (whether or not he'll have separation anxiety) and that s/he can hold it long enough to walk out of the apartment complex.

    With a puppy there is a chance s/he will have separation anxiety and will scream/bark nonstop which will risk you getting evicted....you will also have to take the puppy out every hour or so to potty train them, which will be an inconvenience if you don't live on the ground floor.
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    I agree with @sunyata, we can't answer that for you. You choice stems from why you want a Shiba, what you want to do with the Shiba, and what you want in a dog. There are a lot of advantages to choosing an adult. A puppy is a lot of work, but a puppy can be a lot of fun if you are ready for the time and challenges it will throw at you and the high level of early socialization you will need to do with it.

    Is the dog a retired show dog or being retired from breeding? What is the history of that dog that brings it to being available?
  • We have a brother sister pair (different litters, a repeat breeding) from the same breeder. We got the girl at ten weeks as a puppy, and her brother when he semi-retired from the show ring at 3, a year and a half later.

    Honestly, if you really liked him, I say go for Oliver. Adult dogs still bond well, and it's so much easier than a puppy. Puppy cuteness is great, but puppy diarrhea....not so much. While we love them equally, after the ease of getting an adult, we're not likely to raise a puppy again. It's also nice because there are so many fun activities you can do with an adult immediately (running, hiking, sports) that you can't with a puppy.

    Also, retired show adults often have very good manners, and if the breeder is a responsible one, you have a well mannered, well socialized adult, used to going to lots of new environments, and with a fully developed personality.

    If you're nervous, why don't you see if the breeder will let you take him for a week as a trial. We were allowed to do that to see if he would get along well with his sister in her home environment. If the breeder is a responsible one, then her primary goal would be to get him into a loving and appropriate home.

    Ps - since you say you connected to him immediately, do you really think you would regret bringing a lovable dog home just because he isn't a puppy?
    Post edited by violet_in_seville at 2013-04-10 21:07:24
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    I agree with @violet_in_seville if the adult is what she is presuming and from a reputable breeder.

    I think knowing about the history of the dog though first is important before making assumptions that it has been well socialized, trained, and at low risk of issues.
  • @redcattoo, I'm presuming that @ashley15 has put forth a good faith effort and found a responsible breeder. If the breeder can't answer the questions raised about socialization and training of one of her adults, the issue of puppy vs adult should be moot, as she shouldn't be getting a puppy or dog from the breeder. Only the poster herself can answer that question.
    Post edited by violet_in_seville at 2013-04-10 16:19:21
  • redcattooredcattoo
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    @violet_in_seville, good point that if the breeder isn't a responsible breeder even a puppy discussion should be moot. Even so, a responsible breeder usually takes back a dog at any stage of life, so without knowing more from the OP we don't even know if the dog was in the breeder's possession throughout most of its life. I guess I just feel before we make any assumptions the OP really needs to provide more information on the adult's background.
  • ashley15ashley15
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    http://www.classykennel.net/Available_Shiba__Kai.html

    Here is the link to Oliver it gives information about him, for you guys wanting to know a little bit more about him. She takes all of her dogs back she does not want them to end up in a shelter or to another person who she does not approve of or know. She told me more about his background then the website says... I was very surprised that he had some problems after the divorce and everything (must have been stressed) because he was VERY friendly to me and my boyfriend he warmed up right away.
    Post edited by ashley15 at 2013-04-10 16:46:31
  • zandramezandrame
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  • sunyatasunyata
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  • zandramezandrame
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    @sunyata, thanks for the clarification!

    I'm still cautious about any posting that mentions, but downplays, behavior issues. How long has this dog been unable to find a home? Does he have problems with all children, or just the one he grew up with? And why is he kenneled if it stresses him further? In this case, it seems like a proper rescue/foster would have benefited him.

    The OP will have to decide if they are up for any challenges he might bring with him. Same goes for a puppy, but they will have more of a blank slate to work with.
  • Briona528Briona528
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    @ashley15, any chance you can take Oliver for a trial for a few weeks and see how it goes? You could end up falling completely loving him or give him back and get the puppy if it does not work out? If that is not an option, I would say go for the older dog. Puppies are a TON of work! :o)
  • ashley15ashley15
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    I think he has been there for about 2 years, she said she only lets certain people she thinks would be good for him look at him. She isn't pushy to selling him and I think she takes great care if him and treats him like her other dogs and seems happy.

    @briona528 that is a very good idea I will have to email her and ask if she would be up for that. I feel bad because I already did place my deposit for a puppy and if I didn't like Oliver I would feel horrible if I returned him :(

    I do also have roommates in my apartment and I am nervous he may be overwhelmed by being in a new place and then also having to adjust to 4 new faces.

    I know a puppy is a lot of work I have read about 5 books and have done numerous research but it also scares me because even I have been raised around dogs my entire life and use to show but this would be my first dog on my own and a trained dog maybe best right now.

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  • ashley15ashley15
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    @Calia I did not contact the breeder to see if Oliver was still available, the only reason why I do think he still is is because I looked at the breeders website and it was updated (new stuff was there and new pictures were uploaded) and Oliver was still on the website

    I guess before I email her about Oliver I want to be sure that I want him because I do not want to hassle her.

    Do you guys think she would be bothered if I changed my mind about the puppy and decided to go with Oliver... I dont think she would be she is such a nice lady but I hate being a bother to people especially when I know they are busy
  • ShibaLoveShibaLove
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    She can probably find a new owner for the puppy sooner than she would be able to for Oliver. Contact her and see but since adults are hard to place and she has good rapport with you I am sure she would be happy to hear you are interested in Oliver.
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  • ashley15ashley15
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    Do you guys still think he would have a good bound with me since this will be his 3rd home in a way... that part scares me a little bit.

    He is 6 he seems like he has a lot of life in him still, but that only gives him about 4 to 6 years left give and take a little bit. He seemed like a very healthy dog though :)
  • @ashley15 - my retired show boy was co-owned so he spent time in both breeders' homes. We are his third home and he bonded very easily. I also wouldn't be surprised if he remembers you. We used to play with our boy whenever we would bring his sister for a visit, and he definitely remembered us. My girl recognized someone who bought a puppy from our breeder a year and a half later. She had met and played with him once when we all went to a conformation show to cheer for our breeder.

    @kobe1468 - it would probably be easier to just ask the breeder directly. It's not something that is offensive. When we were on our puppy waiting list, our breeder decided to retire one of his show dogs. The other couple on the waiting list had met her before and really loved her and were ecstatic to have the chance to get her. It didn't bother my breeder in the least that they preferred to get her rather than a puppy at a relatively late date. He was happy to put her in a home where people loved her.

    @knnwang - I could speculate about the various interpretations of the meaning of what you wrote, but it would probably be easier for everyone reading the thread if you posted more than one character.
  • ashley15ashley15
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    Thank you guys for all the help I am going to e-mail my breeder today about him . I will tell you guys how it goes.
  • amtiamti
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    Hope it all turns out well Ashley15! Tough choices, but follow your heart!

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