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Lucy is lost! :(
  • sawazisawazi
    Posts: 28
    And the foster wasn't any help at all.
  • xena_inuxena_inu
    Posts: 118
    Any updates on ur lucy?
  • jimjim
    Posts: 55
    with the technology today, why don't we all have gps locators on our Shiba collars? Is there anything like that on the market anywhere?
  • BootzBootz
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  • SayaSaya
    Posts: 6678
    There's a few options out there one is tag there is a thread on it.

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/8812/tagg-the-pet-tracker-gps-tracker#Item_48

    Though issue is the battery isn't forever so if it runs out before you can catch the dog or it somehow comes off that would be an issue and sometimes things happen dog door bolts and didn't have the gps collar because it's recharging or whatever.

    GPS collars is one good thing for shiba owners to have..

    I hope if Lucy is still lost she is found soon maybe a miracle will happen. I keeping some hope on it.

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  • jimjim
    Posts: 55
    Has anyone here ever considered the hidden fence systems?
  • jimjim
    Posts: 55
    Just a thought... if someone found and "adopted" her, they will have to buy food. Maybe post pictures of her wherever they sell food in your area. I wouldn't be against slipping flyers in between bags of food at Walmart, or slipping the shelf stockers a few bucks to keep flyers near the food.
  • The hidden fence system works by giving your dog an electric shock. There have been studies quoted in The Whole Dog Journal about how the shocks make dogs more aggressive--if they charge the fence because they see another dog (or a person, or whatever) they get shocked, and they tend to associate the shock with what the see--the other dog, so other dogs (or it could be people!)=bad. Also, this system does not protect your dog from anything else that could come in the yard and attack it (other dogs, wild animals, etc).

    It is not a good idea.
  • SayaSaya
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    Invisible fence is what your talking about? I'm not a fan of the fence.. :\

    I know some dogs are afraid of their backyard because of it.

    Some dogs do fine and never leave and listen to the collar, but some won't. Saya sees a cat, rabbit, squirrel or anything she will run past the shock.

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    Nicole, 5year old Bella(Boxer), and 4year old Saya(Shiba inu)
  • jimjim
    Posts: 55
    So you have used the hidden fence? And Saya ran past the shock? I would discontinue use too, if my Niki ever did that.
  • jimjim
    Posts: 55
    @Shibamistress; If something comes into the yard, I think my Niki will be much better off running free with a collar on than chained to some cable run or post in the yard. And I doubt that many of teh people on this site spend more than a few hours a day outside protecting their dogs. With the hidden fence Niki can spend most of the day outside without constant attention. I leave the garage door open and she can come in the house whenever she wants, and back out again. When she wants me to throw her ball, she bops me in the leg with her nose, or tugs at my arm or pant leg.
    Somebody on this site said that Shibas are smart enough to understand battery life, but you are saying they are not smart enough to associate the beeps or shcok with the boundary that they they are taught.
    I talked to a lot of people who are actually using hidden fence before I decided, and they all (including me) think it's great for the dog.
  • tatonkatatonka
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    Why not put in a solid fence? Seems like a lazy choice to not have a good fence, and letting your dog pay that cost by getting shocked instead.

    I'm all for it if you don't have any choices here but in the case of a fence around your own house, I'm missing something here..
    Monkey!
  • lindsaytlindsayt
    Posts: 4786
    No, some of us actually DO spend hours of the day outside with our dogs. In fenced yards too!

    Electric fences make theft exceptionally easy and offer no protection from wildlife or roaming dogs. That's great that you can leave your dog unattended outside to fend for herself, but there is no need to criticize people who chose to walk their dogs at the park and install real fences.
    "Common sense isn't so common"
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  • @jim
    None of us leave our dogs on tie outs without supervision either. The general opinion of the forum is that that is also cruel, because, again, other animals can get to them and they can't get away. Also, the issue with Shibas isn't that they can't make the associate of the noise or the shocks with the boundary, it's that they are defiant and may ignore it or try and get around it. As a breed, they'll do what they want and an aversive trying to keep them from doing what they want is just as often taken as a challenge as a reason to listen.
  • jimjim
    Posts: 55
    Whoa Lindsayt... I originally made a simple mention of a hidden fence and the criticism came to me.
    I did not criticize anyone for allowing their pet to get lost.
    I did not criticize anyone for living in an apartment or in a city instead of in the country with lots of land and places to run free.
    The general opinion of the forum????
    Tatonka is all for it? "Why not put in a solid fence"
  • lindsaytlindsayt
    Posts: 4786
    You're making tons of stupid assumptions and generalizations about the people on this forum.
    "Common sense isn't so common"
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  • WendyNCWendyNC
    Posts: 257
    Perhaps fencing should be in a different thread. Any news about Lucy?
  • InoushiInoushi
    Posts: 555
    Most electronic fences advise against the use in double coated breeds. I guess their fur gets in the way of the shock? Either way its not a good idea, if your dog gets far anough from the boundary the shock stops. If your dog gets past, why run back? Also it leaves them open to all sorts of dangers.

    I don't own a yard, but when I do, im building a tall fence, with hot wire running underground. Im of the frame of mind, build like you would for exotic pets, shibas are too good at escaping.

    Also don't assume we don't spend time with our dogs outside. Kenshin spends plenty of time, on a leash, running around on a federal reserve. Besides even when we visit friends, I never leave him unsupervised. Dog theft is high and my boy leaps upwards of four feet nonchantly from a sitdown.

    The big question you have to ask is this. Is your dog's life worth the small potential convience, and can you live with all of the possible consequences should the fence fail one day (battery dies in collar, blackout, ect.)?
  • It's a false argument, Jim. It doesn't have to be either or: chain the dog up (bad idea number one) or put in an electric fence (bad idea number two). There are things called regular fences that work quite well. In my state, it's not even legal to leave a dog on a tie out, so it's not like chaining a dog up is the only other option.

    The electric fence is bad enough, but then you leave the dog outside, unattended too? With no real barrier? Great. Kind of like my neighbor who said his cat was "happier" outside running around. It wasn't a week later I saw the signs for the missing cat, but that cat was coyote food, and they'll never see it again. One day you'll lose your dog too. Which is pretty sad, because it is entirely preventable.

    Post edited by shibamistress at 2012-11-25 00:15:24
  • CaliaCalia
    Posts: 3664
    This is a warning: Please refrain from further OT arguments, this thread is about a missing dog not about types of fencing or ways to keep shibas. If you want to continue such discussion, please feel free to create a new thread.
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  • redcattooredcattoo
    Posts: 1960
    @Calia does anyone know if Lucy was ever found and if there is an end to that initial story?
  • CaliaCalia
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    @redcattoo - No idea, but probably not since the OP hasn't made an update
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  • redcattooredcattoo
    Posts: 1960
    :( Sad since I know the post is old now for any hope of probably reuniting them.
  • kumaDUDEkumaDUDE
    Posts: 1259
    It's sad, I sure hope nothing bad happened to her.
  • SayaSaya
    Posts: 6678
    Thanks for the warning Calia. It got bit too off topic to me this is about Lucy who is lost not what type of containment is good..

    Jim better answer is on my post I posted here.

    http://www.shibainuforum.org/forum/discussion/11050/xena-finally-learned-the-art-of-digging-and-got-loose-lastnight#Item_19

    I have no invisible fence.. it came with the house, but we tore it out and tossed it.

    I still keep hope for Lucy maybe she'll be found. I know Nami was gone for a long time before being found finally.

    Maybe a vet will recognize her and contact the owner. I'd still put posters in places never know.
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    Post edited by Saya at 2012-11-25 11:49:08
  • tkfushtkfush
    Posts: 131
    I just saw this story on the news tonight and thought I might share just to maybe provide some hope! Any news on Lucy?

    http://kdvr.com/2012/12/04/family-gets-dog-back-after-she-spent-44-days-lost-in-the-mountains/
  • xena_inuxena_inu
    Posts: 118
    =) another shiba story that has me in tears!!! WONDERFUL STORY!
  • SayaSaya
    Posts: 6678
    Love the story! Sad how thin the dog was. :\

    So nice the man refused the reward too. He's great for calling the owner.
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    Nicole, 5year old Bella(Boxer), and 4year old Saya(Shiba inu)
  • Was it a Shiba in the Colorado story? I could read the story but the video wouldn't work for me.

    Either way, great news that that dog made it home!
  • tkfushtkfush
    Posts: 131
    Yeah, it was a Shiba that was lost. The video shows images of how skinny the poor doggy is! But it seems to be eating now!
  • wufanwufan
    Posts: 78
    My shiba ran off just 2 days ago. My front door was blown wide open (I had no idea how that happened). I got so worried after coming back home and found he's missing. Long story short. A neighbor boy found him trying to get on a school bus (My shiba loves kids whenever he sees kids he run towards them). And he took him home. I hope OP found her shiba. Best wishes.
  • SayaSaya
    Posts: 6678
    So glad you got Yoshi back must been scary.

    I haven't heard anything about Lucy it's really sad. :(

    I know of another dog still lost. My heart aches for the owners.
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  • redcattooredcattoo
    Posts: 1960
    @wufan I am so glad your story has a good ending, I am sure the moment you noticed him gone until you discovered he was okay were heart dropping!

    Every story of missing dogs really pulls at my heartstrings for the owners, especially when the owners appear to be good and loving owners that really care. Especially with Shiba's that independence and drive can really quickly become scary times.
  • RikkaRikka
    Posts: 1501
    Hrm... I might be wrong, but I read earlier in this thread where Lucy's owners decided on a puppy to replace Lucy, so I think they're busy with the new puppy? Maybe just inactive online for awhile? I dunno.

    And yeah, @redcattoo, that's one of my biggest fears. Thinking about Sagan being lost for more than even a couple of hours makes my stomach churn. He's definitely door-bolted once or twice, but we were able to wrangle him back into the house with treats, praise, and doing a weird, funky dance. Because of those instances, we decided to always tie him to his leash when opening the door; the leash is permanently held by by the sofa in the living room, so he's still able to see out the door, but because of the weight of the sofa holding onto the end of the leash, he's unable to pull or wriggle out. ;p
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    Lauren, living with a 4 y/o Shiba named after a scientist. ☆
  • redcattooredcattoo
    Posts: 1960
    @Rikka, I hear you on the worries. Bear has proven over and over that off leash he has no recall if he elevates to a high level play/prey drive. He has slipped his collar on a couple occasions (even the limited slip collar we use) and slipped out a door that didn't close tight while my husband took out the trash. He isn't even a door "bolter" per se, but if no one is watching and he doesn't have a leash on I could see him deciding it more fun to go run outside.

    So far we have always been able to keep him in sight when he gets loose and eventually wrangle him back to safety, but heart dropping moments when it happens. If he ever slipped out when we didn't know it, I know how quickly it is possible I could be posting for help to find my Bear.
  • wufanwufan
    Posts: 78
    @Saya, Yoshi is another member I believe @wuchen17 's cute puppy. Mine's name is Wufan (Gohan in Japanese) means "lunch". If I am right, my Wufan and his Yoshi are about at the same age (one or two week age difference maybe?)

    I think OP may have already moved on. I hope the lost shiba gets well and somebody rescue her at a shelter and she ends up with someone really nice.

    As for me, I will microchip my Wf when he is at proper age. I can't afford losing him again (even for a few hours).
  • RikaRika
    Posts: 53
    Have you found Lucy yet? :(
  • sawazisawazi
    Posts: 28
    For anyone wondering, I never found Lucy. I finally decided to get a puppy so that we could bond better and also give him more space. I got Tsukiyo "suki" at 6 weeks old i believe; i moved back in with my mom because she had a 5 bedroom house with more people around to keep him company while i was at work. He had just made a year old this past august and was a habitual escape artist. I think he had been through 5 cages already. I figured he had some sort of separation anxiety so i got him a thunder shirt and only put him in his cage for a few hours at a time. To help out one of my family members tied the edges of the cage with a piece of ribbon. The ribbon had been on the cage a month, i never thought anything of it. This past Monday, almost exactly a year since Lucy was lost, Suki tried to escape from his cage again and got tangled in the ribbon. He strangled himself to death. i left at 9 for work, when my nephew got home at 11 he was already gone.

    I feel a whole in my soul that is incomprehensible and incomparable to anything i have ever felt in my entire life. I feel like if i ever get another pet something bad will happen to them too because i either suck at life or i'm just not fit to care for an animal. But i gave suki everything i thought i could. the best food, enough toys to keep him stimulated, play time at the dog park, affection. I just didn't think twice about the damn ribbon.

    Just needed to vent i guess. I know you all love your shibas like i loved mines and nobody seems to understand why i'm so devastated. I was going through a bout of depression and anxiety when i got lucy. losing her was terrible to say the least. Suki saved my life. and he died a week ago because we tied a ribbon on his cage.
  • amtiamti
    Posts: 1066
    I'm so sorry... I can't imagine how hard it is to lose two of your babies... HUGS to you
  • redcattooredcattoo
    Posts: 1960
    So sorry life seems to be handing you such a terrible thing, especially at about 1 year apart :( I can only imagine how many questions to life are going through your head. Even though I am not really religious, I do believe life only hands us what we can handle and that everything happens for a reason. Hopefully, you will find meaning to comfort you in both these terrible things that I would wish on no pet owner.
  • jennjenn
    Posts: 856
    @sawazi I am so sorry to hear about both Lucy and Suki.

    I don't think losing either of your babies was due to you being unfit. I've read many stories online about pet owners losing their dogs to getting stuck inside a chip bag or inside a container that they never would have thought about. Sometimes you just can't predict every little thing that could potentially go wrong.

    I hope you're able to heal from your losses and someday find a new furbaby that will help to fill your hole. Best wishes to you!
    Jenn, Shiba Slave to Rigby / http://hellorigby.com
  • I'm so sorry. How devastating this must be. Hang in there.
  • FoxyloverFoxylover
    Posts: 971
    OMG! I'm so sorry to read this. I've always wondered if Lucy was ever found and I can only imagine how devistating that must have been for you. And now Suki. :( My heart aches for you.

    I do hope that you don't give up on owning a pet. You learned a very tragic lesson and all you can do is grow from it. You obviously have a lot of love to give an animal and there are no guarantees for any of us that something may go wrong at any time. Just like having children. You just have to take life as one lesson at a time and learn from them.

    Hugs!!
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  • sawazisawazi
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    thanks @jenn and @foxylover I've been beating myself up about it trying to figure out what i could have done differently and scared to even think about getting another pet. I don't want anything else but another shiba but i don;t want to replace suki either.
  • sawazisawazi
    Posts: 28
    @redcattoo i'm not religious either so i've been trying to make sense of it the best way i can. Thanks
  • ArcticArctic
    Posts: 513
    Sorry to hear about this, @sawazi :(
  • Kiba0713Kiba0713
    Posts: 259
    I'm so sorry to hear about this :( It's terrible that you had to go through such bad experiences. Sometimes it feels like a full-time job just keeping the apartment puppy-proofed, there's no way you could have predicted that would happen. So sorry for your loss. <3

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